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VAR has ruined top level football.

There was hell on today at the superclássico (River Boca) where a River goal was chalked off (probably correctly, but it wasn't super clear from VAR without a straight camera angle- they don't have the watch sensor thing).
VAR really didn't add anything at all to it, other than probable doubt- where tbh you are just better off with the linesman/referee call in real time..it's pretty well known that slow motion and certain angles warp our interpretation of events.

Despite being a twat if the highest order- Blatter was right in 2010 after Lampard"s goal wasn't given. That VAR would ruin the game (he said it would make it like a FIFA videogame, so he wasn't right about that)

People were adamant it was needed, but we seem to be getting a still pretty high rate of mistakes/controversies and it's now more a question of competence rather than just basic human error capacity in unassisted refereeing.
 

Smiler said:
The linesman might've flagged without VAR, they sometimes leave it knowing VAR will tell for as close to certain as we can get if it was or not.
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I think they should change the var rule so it's three choices.

Clearly offside
Clearly onside
Very close so linesman decision


Like in cricket where umpires call matters. That way there's still a point to having linesman at all.
 
When I think of the world pre VAR I can’t think of too many ridiculous offsides being called wrong tbh.

The one that sticks out was Mexico v Argentina in the 2010 World Cup I think it was when the lino must have been pissed or paid off.

I was in favour of VAR at the start; now all it’s been tried and exposed as being unworkable and comes at the cost of ruining moments like yesterday.

Lest we forget VAR would have chalked off Jis goal.
 
parsonjohn1985 said:
I think they should change the var rule so it's three choices.

Clearly offside
Clearly onside
Very close so linesman decision


Like in cricket where umpires call matters. That way there's still a point to having linesman at all.
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You've solved it!

Hang on, define very close?
 
CraigyWatt said:
He's not level though.

You can clearly see that his foot is beyond the foot of the defender.

It's offside, proven by the technology.

I understand people being annoyed by VAR when it's inconsistent or seems to be applied incorrectly. But this is no such instance. He's offside. There has to be a point where somebody goes from being onside to offside. If four inches offside isn't enough, where would you draw the line? Should six inches offside be called and four inches offside be allowed?

It's measurable, and he's offside.
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This. People going on about it “crushing the spirit of the game” is ridiculous. Those Coventry fans went rightly mad at the ‘goal’. Celebrated as if they had won the cup rather than the game.
Nothing was taken away from that moment, nor will it ever be.
Of course those dreams were crushed…but they were crushed by a correct decision.
It was actually deemed to be closer (from the lines) than I originally thought from the first replay, when it was simply an ‘action replay’……before VAR got involved.
 
Whether people like it or not, VAR isn’t going anywhere. If anything, I fully expect VAR to be rolled out in the championship within the next two seasons
 
TikaTakaTico said:
There was hell on today at the superclássico (River Boca) where a River goal was chalked off (probably correctly, but it wasn't super clear from VAR without a straight camera angle- they don't have the watch sensor thing).
VAR really didn't add anything at all to it, other than probable doubt- where tbh you are just better off with the linesman/referee call in real time..it's pretty well known that slow motion and certain angles warp our interpretation of events.

Despite being a twat if the highest order- Blatter was right in 2010 after Lampard"s goal wasn't given. That VAR would ruin the game (he said it would make it like a FIFA videogame, so he wasn't right about that)

People were adamant it was needed, but we seem to be getting a still pretty high rate of mistakes/controversies and it's now more a question of competence rather than just basic human error capacity in unassisted refereeing.
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I’d say the one aspect where it has worked is the goaline technology.

It’s pretty accurate and ultra fast, no messing about.

Only one fuck up was the Sheff Utd v Aston Villa game. But it’s saved lots of fuck ups without question.

But for offsides and fouls I’d say get rid.
 
HellsBells said:
Point of the thread proven. We are still arguing over what it shows and VAR has ruined footy. It certainly hasn’t made it better has it?
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The fact we are discussing it, suggests it wasn't that much of a "clear and obvious error".


Smiler said:
The linesman might've flagged without VAR, they sometimes leave it knowing VAR will tell for as close to certain as we can get if it was or not.
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To be honest, I question why we need "assistant referees" any more. A blatant foul happens a yard from them, they don't flag.

The ball goes out at their feet, then they ignore the players gaining yards by the time the throw is taken.

I've even seen them wait till the ref has made the decision before flagging which way the throw should go (this happens most of the time at non-league level)

And now (as you say) they don't flag when it's close, knowing VAR will check it
 
On reflection I can see both sides of the argument. If Wan Bissaka checks his run slightly to play an offside trap and it’s not given then you’d be livid as a Man U fan.

However, the way it happened just didn’t seem right. FA cup semi final in the final 10 seconds of the game, and we’re drawing toenail lines.
 
DieselBert said:
Exactly. Its one of the only absolutes in the game and people are trying to make it subjective. Its mental. The lad was offside, whether he's offside by a little or whether he's offside by a lot, he's offside.
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Correct. Unfortunately it seems the majority of football fans are a different breed though and wont accept being fractionally offside.
 
MadMackem10 said:
How many times has goal line technology showed the ball has a tiny amount still on the line and therefore it’s not a goal? And yet there are very little complaints about that.
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Because that’s a different technology and rule. There have been issues with it as well such as the (Villa Sheffield Utd?) game a few seasons back
 
It’s all concerned faults it’s here in the first place.

If everybody fans, players, managers, media every fucker just accepted in real time that refs mistakes were part and parcel of the game in the same way players mistakes are, they would have been no need for VAR.

Fact is they didn’t they twisted every f***ing week, complained about everything and because of that we now have VAR.

No sympathy in the slightest for the people pissed off with VAR.
 
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