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"Bank of England must plan for financial crisis sparked by aliens
A former analyst at the central bank has urged governor Andrew Bailey to put contingencies in place to prevent collapse if alien life is confirmed"

Hope they wait until after we've won the PL and CL in the next couple of years.
 

MunkyHeed said:
Perhaps being picky, but distance isn’t the issue imo. It’s the time it takes to traverse the distance. It used to take 4 months to get to Oz, but now…

Once we figure out how the little green bastards get round the ol’ e=mc2 issue we’ll have it solved*

(*= probably run into a totally different problem)
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Plainly if we hope to travel to other stars it won’t be with conventional methods. 150 years ago the internal combustion engine was pretty much a theoretical concept. Who’s to say given another 150 years we won’t have come up with some form of propulsion that we could use to travel the cosmos.
 
Unbalanced Views said:
Plainly if we hope to travel to other stars it won’t be with conventional methods. 150 years ago the internal combustion engine was pretty much a theoretical concept. Who’s to say given another 150 years we won’t have come up with some form of propulsion that we could use to travel the cosmos.
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Indeed.
Brings to mind a funny story.
In the 90's, Stephen Hawking was having a tour of the Star Trek TNG set. He was taken to engineering and shown the warp engine.
Apparently he told the actors: "I'm working on that". :lol:
 
Unbalanced Views said:
Plainly if we hope to travel to other stars it won’t be with conventional methods. 150 years ago the internal combustion engine was pretty much a theoretical concept. Who’s to say given another 150 years we won’t have come up with some form of propulsion that we could use to travel the cosmos.
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The laws of the universe.

Knowhere at any time, has anything, ever, broken the laws of the universe. Galaxies, stars, blackholes and even the big bang, the most gigantic energy events in the universe have still never broken the laws of the universe. There's an upper limit that cant be breached and we're still messing about at less than 0.01% of C

The faster you travel the more mass you gain, the more energy it takes to move that mass, that bit faster means more mass, means more energy, means more .... till eventually to move that mass just 1mph faster would take more energy than is contained in the universe itself.

It's the old
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Warp engines and hyperspace are just cool sci-fi deus ex machina plot devices
 
High Entropy said:
The laws of the universe.

Knowhere at any time, has anything, ever, broken the laws of the universe. Galaxies, stars, blackholes and even the big bang, the most gigantic energy events in the universe have still never broken the laws of the universe. There's an upper limit that cant be breached and we're still messing about at less than 0.01% of C

The faster you travel the more mass you gain, the more energy it takes to move that mass, that bit faster means more mass, means more energy, means more .... till eventually to move that mass just 1mph faster would take more energy than is contained in the universe itself.

It's the old
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Warp engines and hyperspace are just cool sci-fi deus ex machina plot devices
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True, but iPhones and video calls were science fiction not so very long ago - and you presume we know all the laws, which we may not do.
 
High Entropy said:
The great Richard Feynman explaining simply and clearly why you can never go faster than the speed of light, even if you do have warp engines @FishburnMackem

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I’m not sure I believe in aliens but even if this is true there are a few things. One, there are plenty of planets in our solar system we don’t even know much about and they are a mere hop skip and a jump away at the speed of light (like an hour). The nearest other planets like Proxima and Alpha Centuri have a possibility to support life and they are “only” 4 to 5 light years away.

Secondly, I always find the “support life” argument a bit closed minded. The view if a planet doesn’t have water etc.:: it can’t sustain life. If it’s plausible that aliens exist who is to say they would have the same biochemistry as us and need things like we do. There are tons of bizarre life forms on our own planet that can survive in ways humans can’t so what’s to say that if you go even further afield we should judge whether it’s realistic for life to exist if not in our own standards.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, everything assumes we are “right”. Its own own scientists and geniuses who have built our knowledge over time and they are seen as infallible by Earth standards because they are seen as the expert opinion and nothing proves them wrong. But, they might be wrong. Everything we know is a self defined term. The speed of light itself is only called that because humans have denoted it that. If other life forms are millennia more advanced it’s highly possible they have developed knowledge that proves some of our current scientific thinking wrong or developed other knowledge that makes it irrelevant.

Essentially to assume aliens can’t exist we have to quite arrogantly assume they only could if they were like us and assume we are right about everything and there is nothing we don’t yet know. Which is bollocks and more than anything why I believe it’s a possibility.
 
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MonkeyLove said:
I’m not sure I believe in aliens but even if this is true there are a few things. One, there are plenty of planets in our solar system we don’t even know much about and they are a mere hop skip and a jump away at the speed of light (like an hour). The nearest other planets like Proxima and Alpha Centuri have a possibility to support life and they are “only” 4 to 5 light years away.

Secondly, I always find the “support life” argument a bit closed minded. The view if a planet doesn’t have water etc.:: it can’t sustain life. If it’s plausible that aliens exist who is to say they would have the same biochemistry as us and need things like we do. There are tons of bizarre life forms on our own planet that can survive in ways humans can’t so what’s to say that if you go even further afield we should judge whether it’s realistic for life to exist if not in our own standards.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, everything assumes we are “right”. Its own own scientists and geniuses who have built our knowledge over time and they are seen as infallible by Earth standards because they are seen as the expert opinion and nothing proves them wrong. But, they might be wrong. Everything we know is a self defined term. The speed of light itself is only called that because humans have denoted it that. If other life forms are millennia more advanced it’s highly possible they have developed knowledge that proves some of our current scientific thinking wrong or developed other knowledge that makes it irrelevant.

Essentially to assume aliens can’t exist we have to quite arrogantly assume they only could if they were like us and assume we are right about everything and there is nothing we don’t yet know. Which is bollocks and more than anything why I believe it’s a possibility.
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I asked Google how long it would take to travel 4 light years using current technology and the answer was that using the Parker Solar Probe it would take 6000 years. Your problem is that if aliens sent us a radio signal it would take 4 years to get here then it would take us 6000 years to reach them which is a considerable amount of time , and a lot of things could go wrong on the way.
Nobody says scientists are infallible but neither does that mean you can imagine anything and therefore it could be possible.
 
MonkeyLove said:
Secondly, I always find the “support life” argument a bit closed minded.
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Why do you think this, have you studied for years to KNOW what is and what is not ? Or is it just an ignorant guess?

MonkeyLove said:
The nearest other planets like Proxima and Alpha Centuri have a possibility to support life and they are “only” 4 to 5 light years away.
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We already know this not to be the case, why would you say otherwise, are you just guessing from a point of ignorance again ? -
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MonkeyLove said:
Finally, and perhaps most importantly, everything assumes we are “right”. Its own own scientists and geniuses who have built our knowledge over time and they are seen as infallible by Earth standards because they are seen as the expert opinion and nothing proves them wrong. But, they might be wrong. Everything we know is a self defined term. The speed of light itself is only called that because humans have denoted it that. If other life forms are millennia more advanced it’s highly possible they have developed knowledge that proves some of our current scientific thinking wrong or developed other knowledge that makes it irrelevant.
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Again with the ignorant guesses, if you watch the actual video (you can do it at x1.5 speed) explanation, you'll see it's how the universe is made, not what we think is possible. It's your ignorance to reality that keeps you in the dark, educate yourself, actually KNOW, not just THINK you know.

MonkeyLove said:
Essentially to assume aliens can’t exist we have to quite arrogantly assume they only could if they were like us and assume we are right about everything and there is nothing we don’t yet know. Which is bollocks and more than anything why I believe it’s a possibility.
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I mean just repeating myself here, you disbelieve something you don't actually know anything about, it's mental, how can you not see this ?
 
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PinzaC55 said:
I asked Google how long it would take to travel 4 light years using current technology and the answer was that using the Parker Solar Probe it would take 6000 years. Your problem is that if aliens sent us a radio signal it would take 4 years to get here then it would take us 6000 years to reach them which is a considerable amount of time , and a lot of things could go wrong on the way.
Nobody says scientists are infallible but neither does that mean you can imagine anything and therefore it could be possible.
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Think you’ve missed the point.
 
MonkeyLove said:
Essentially to assume aliens can’t exist we have to quite arrogantly assume they only could if they were like us and assume we are right about everything and there is nothing we don’t yet know. Which is bollocks and more than anything why I believe it’s a possibility.
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In the 1890’s, Lord Kelvin - mathematician, physicist and president of the Royal Society said: "Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."

8 years later the Wright brothers became famous.
 
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