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UFO's

Kent_Mackem said:
I missed out, after number 2, to factor in that to still exist they must have been able to live relatively peacefully and not destroy each other and the rest of life on the planet. Something we are not successful at. Compare our stint on the planet, that is fast approaching its end, and compare the amount of time we existed to that of the dinosaurs or insects. Intelligent life perhaps isn't capable of surviving that long. Too clever for its own good if humans are anything to go by. Point being, perhaps the window of opportunity for intelligent life to develop space craft capable of inter-stella travel is critically limited.

The far more likely explanation is that it is something familiar but their brain has interpreted it to be something different, for various reasons.
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I would caution using mankind as a blueprint for other potential races, especially in the quest to destroy ourselves . Maybe other civilisations don’t share our violent nature. Who knows, but we cannot be the yardstick to judge everything else upon
 

I believe that we are the only intelligent life form in the universe.
Reason?
The universe is certainly infinite & there will be millions of other life froms yet here only 12 miles up the road - absolute morons.
 
So all of this alien ufo stuff is only happening in America then?
 
It's one of these discussions that's pretty pointless on here isn't it. To some everyone who has seen something is a liar regardless of who they are or what they have seen.

I'm pretty sure even if/when Govts confirm that something is going on that they don't understand that it itself will be a cover up and dismissed.
 
skullmeister said:
It's one of these discussions that's pretty pointless on here isn't it. To some everyone who has seen something is a liar regardless of who they are or what they have seen.

I'm pretty sure even if/when Govts confirm that something is going on that they don't understand that it itself will be a cover up and dismissed.
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Yep. Pointless trying to convince ppl they exist by using words, absolutely. Only way ppl will truly change their minds is by seeing one.
As said on another post, I couldn’t give a shit who believes what. That’s their prerogative. I just find the whole topic so fascinating.
George Kaplan said:
So all of this alien ufo stuff is only happening in America then?
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Not at all. Global. Brazil seems to be a ‘hot spot’ for activity.
 
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skullmeister said:
It's one of these discussions that's pretty pointless on here isn't it. To some everyone who has seen something is a liar regardless of who they are or what they have seen.

I'm pretty sure even if/when Govts confirm that something is going on that they don't understand that it itself will be a cover up and dismissed.
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That's not true. People don't need to be 'lying' to be wrong.

It's is vastly more likely that people who (think they) have 'seen' UFOs are mistaken in what they think they saw, than the proposition 'aliens have just flown their head' is true. That proposition is ubsurdly unlikely.
 
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Ilios said:
That's not true. People don't need to be 'lying' to be wrong.

It's is vastly more likely that people who (think they) have 'seen' UFOs are mistaken in what they think they saw, than the proposition 'aliens have just flown their head' is true. That proposition is ubsurdly unlikely.
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I'm talking about pilots, military and civilian who know when they've seen something performing manoeuvres that isn't possible by any existing technology on earth - and in the case of the usa military pilots, have filmed these and released the footage.

Garry Nolan on the video I posted earlier has been examining people at the request of the CIA who have become sick after being close to something they don't understand, there's no way he is lieing about this.
 
skullmeister said:
Garry Nolan on the video I posted earlier has been examining people at the request of the CIA who have become sick after being close to something they don't understand, there's no way he is lieing about this.
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No reason to lie either afaik. He’s not trying to sell a book/doc/film on the subject. Has FAR more to lose (reputation) than gain. Mellon & others too.
 
skullmeister said:
I'm talking about pilots, military and civilian who know when they've seen something performing manoeuvres that isn't possible by any existing technology on earth
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No, they don't know that. They don't even know that they've necessarily seen any extant object, outside of their own brain, let alone whether or not it is being piloted by little green men. You have far too confidence in sensory perception, and human interpretation. I'll wait for actual evidence, not stories and hearsay, as any good skeptic should 👍
 
George Kaplan said:
And that despite all the multiple signings of objects that are purportedly alien space ships plus the fact that the majority of the population wander around with a camera permanently attached to their person they never appear in an area with clear daylight visibility where multiple independent witnesses can take clear, sharp and undoubtedly genuine photographs and videos that look anything like what they are supposed to be.

In other news : the most famous photograph of the loch ness monster (the black and white one with the ‘neck and head’ sticking out of the water) when examined in a mist cursory fashion is very obviously somebody’s arm whilst they are swimming front crawl. By ‘cursory fashion’ I mean by viewing the original image rather than the grainy close-up view that is always the one published.

Plus there are multiple possible explanations for the ‘phenomenon’ of this ‘monster’ that are all natural occurrences - even if what has been reported as being seen is actually genuine - but they are all ignored in favour of the explanation that gives rise to the most exotic and exciting one.

Same with UFOs.

I’m quite happy to live my life in a universe where humanity, animal and plant etc life on Earth is the only thing that we’d recognise as ‘life’ anywhere but anyone who wants to bookmark this thread and come back to ridicule me when some bugger lands and says ‘klaatu virada nikto’ to bystanders … feel free
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do you have a link to original photo?
 
Ilios said:
No, they don't know that. They don't even know that they've necessarily seen any extant object, outside of their own brain, let alone whether or not it is being piloted by little green men. You have far too confidence in sensory perception, and human interpretation. I'll wait for actual evidence, not stories and hearsay, as any good skeptic should 👍
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So multiple US navy pilots tracking UAPs which they video but all imagined it, righto.
 
parm said:
do you have a link to original photo?
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I think it was on a tv programme ages ago. I have a feeling that if I/you googled for it, we’d get the one that i refer to as ‘usually published’ but I’ll give it a go when I have a spare half hour.
skullmeister said:
So multiple US navy pilots tracking UAPs which they video but all imagined it, righto.
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They didn’t necessarily ‘imagine‘ that they saw an unidentified flying object. They saw what they believed to be, and what could have been, a flying object …that couldnt be identified.

Which is evidence of visitations from alien planets, light years away. Obviously.
 
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George Kaplan said:
I think it was on a tv programme ages ago. I have a feeling that if I/you googled for it, we’d get the one that i refer to as ‘usually published’ but I’ll give it a go when I have a spare half hour.

They didn’t necessarily ‘imagine‘ that they saw an unidentified flying object. They saw what they believed to be, and what could have been, a flying object …that couldnt be identified.

Which is evidence of visitations from alien planets, light years away. Obviously.
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Who mention aliens, not me?
 
Ilios said:
No, they don't know that. They don't even know that they've necessarily seen any extant object, outside of their own brain, let alone whether or not it is being piloted by little green men. You have far too confidence in sensory perception, and human interpretation. I'll wait for actual evidence, not stories and hearsay, as any good skeptic should 👍
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To be fair, pilots who witness something odd in the air are VERY careful not to instantly call them aliens ‘cos they (we) simply don’t know where they originate yet.
However, there have been times where pilots have seen something that’s also been corroborated on radar screens & military IR cameras tho. Stuff dropping from 80km above the sea to 10m in a fraction of a second…going underwater…. Splitting into multiple parts… turning at a rate that would mince any human inside due to the g-forces… no heat signature on IR cameras. Weird stuff.
 
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citybythesea said:
I would caution using mankind as a blueprint for other potential races, especially in the quest to destroy ourselves . Maybe other civilisations don’t share our violent nature. Who knows, but we cannot be the yardstick to judge everything else upon
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True enough, however it is the only yardstick we have so we ought not to discard it.
 
Ilios said:
No, they don't know that. They don't even know that they've necessarily seen any extant object, outside of their own brain, let alone whether or not it is being piloted by little green men. You have far too confidence in sensory perception, and human interpretation. I'll wait for actual evidence, not stories and hearsay, as any good skeptic should 👍
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They were picked up on radar and other systems.
 
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