Tommy Watson ( ...off to Brighton)

[Mackem2017]

Ian Harte what a tosser

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[pilar of herc]

He's a decent sub for Mundle until the end of season. We seem to be developing and scouting plenty of young talent so won't be a massive loss to the club

 

[Hank Scorpio]

We can't even guarantee him that though which will be a part, he's behind mundle for a start

He is but at 18 he is part of a top 4 championship squad. Furthermore, it’s a club he has known since the age of 6.

Even if he isn’t guaranteed a start, it’s almost certain he will be given the opportunity to win that place over the course of the season.

He’s given that up to basically return back to youth football - albeit on a better salary.

 

[buster]

Won't know the actual figures but have been told it's it's life-changing or ridiculous money compared to here, which is believable.

Been told by someone who knows or is assuming the figures ?

 

[payne]

Just feel if others who excel are shipped out next 2 or 3 windows feeling toward the board will really change.

Fine balance I know but they dont seem hellbent on progression.

We haven't been hell bent on selling. There's only really Stweart and Clake who we've sold of an consequence so far.

 

[halfpast3]

I know sites with estimated wages aren't always the most accurate, but every one I can see suggests they're paying Adingra about £12.5k a week. They bought him for circa £8m. Even in the PL clubs have to be careful about overpaying on wages, and they weren't in a transfer battle for him, seems like there was only them and us.

Can't imagine he's seen as an immediate first team option, they've signed purely for potential because the transfer fee is worth the risk for a PL side. Might have good rises built in if he gets x appearances, but doubt they'll have been throwing money at him unnecessarily. Might prove to be the right decision for him, or he might look back and think he could have earned more had he stayed. His decision, but a shame he couldn't stay with the club that developed him

Was it this one by any chance?

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He will be on the top end of what they pay young talented players mate. Because of the fee, the contract will be future proofed (for both the club and him) but I’d be very surprised if he starts on more than £10k a week.

Honestly would be amazed if he was on less than 10

 

[rentaghost]

We’re on our longest period outside the top flight in my lifetime, so yes it is bad. You say I need to give my head a shake, defies belief.

You say it’s not all about money (which I agree with) but to the owners that’s all that matters. Nice long post you’ve written but with no mention of getting promotion, never mind a tad success.

Its the only way. In this league without selling players we lose money and would fall foul of the rules if we don't sell players. We are in a better position than all but those with parachute payments but we cant not sell and try to improve weaker areas of the squad.

 

[Guinness Guzzler]

Was it this one by any chance?

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Honestly would be amazed if he was on less than 10

It was about three or four, did a search and clicked the first few that came up just to see if any had different figures. They might all be bollocks of course, but I seriously doubt Brighton would be going much over about £15k a week for a lad who, in all likelihood, they probably don't expect to feature next season. As I say, it could still be a good deal for the lad compared to what we were offering, especially if he has guaranteed pay rises based on appearances or whatever but there's little to no chance he's guaranteed 30k a week or anything. Why would they when they were only battling us for his signature and we'd be nowhere near it?

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Was it this one by any chance?

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Honestly would be amazed if he was on less than 10

It’s still a big salary for a young lad mate. If he gets a 4 year deal, then with the signing fee, he will still clear over a million after tax over the course of the contract.

 

[halfpast3]

It was about three or four, did a search and clicked the first few that came up just to see if any had different figures. They might all be bollocks of course, but I seriously doubt Brighton would be going much over about £15k a week for a lad who, in all likelihood, they probably don't expect to feature next season. As I say, it could still be a good deal for the lad compared to what we were offering, especially if he has guaranteed pay rises based on appearances or whatever but there's little to no chance he's guaranteed 30k a week or anything. Why would they when they were only battling us for his signature and we'd be nowhere near it?

As an idea of how out they are likely to be that one totals their wage bill as 58m, their actual wage bill was 148m ( that is all club staff but that will be ticket office staff on 30k a year etc) but think it’s fair to guess it would be well over 100m for players. I doubt he will be on 30, you’re right. But it won’t be 10 or less.

 

[League Wan]

Been told by someone who knows or is assuming the figures ?

Just what I was told in Feb when the window closed, the money was unbelievable compared to what was initially on the table here,it was all agreed but we pulled the plug as we couldn't get the replacement in.

 

[safcniall]

Think he's a massive talent so it's a shame to be losing him but 10m + add ons for a player with a handful of games and just over a year left on his contract is great business. Good luck to him, be nice to see another academy player make it in the prem

 

[APH]

Gutted to see him go, I think he has the potential to go right to the top. Hopefully we have a decent sell on percentage.

I'll try and pick out the positives of this, the club is in a position where we need to sell a player like this in the 10-15m bracket every season. We've just done next seasons early, so any pressure to sell Jobe or Rigg will be reduced.

It also means we can plan for next season, deals for Cirkin and Neil a priority, but we can also make concrete moves for targets too

 

[Guinness Guzzler]

As an idea of how out they are likely to be that one totals their wage bill as 58m, their actual wage bill was 148m ( that is all club staff but that will be ticket office staff on 30k a year etc) but think it’s fair to guess it would be well over 100m for players. I doubt he will be on 30, you’re right. But it won’t be 10 or less.

I think you're right on all of that, although I'd expect any quoted wages to be basic. First team players in particular probably make a lot of their money from bonuses on top of this, which would vastly increase the actual bill. I'll admit, just from playing FM, I remember the option for sharing bonuses based on league position etc between a squad. I'm sure that's a thing in real life and skills presumably hit the wage bill on the accounts.

But aye, won't be less than 10k. I suspect even we'd get near to that figure. We'll likely never know but I'd expect around 15k but with guaranteed raise if he gets in the side regularly etc. It'll be big money for him, but time will tell if it's as good as it gets. Might end up looking back thinking he could have made more over the course of his career if he'd stayed here. But I suppose we weren't going to guarantee him games either. Fuck it, he's gone, it's disappointing given we developed him and he's ultimately given us fuck all, don't really care if he fades into obscurity and if he doesn't at least we've got a sell on.

 

[DonaldDownTheWing]

Just what I was told in Feb when the window closed, the money was unbelievable compared to what was initially on the table here,it was all agreed but we pulled the plug as we couldn't get the replacement in.

I’m guessing it’s fairly likely that whoever we were trying to get in, in January, is who we’ll go for again.

I don’t remember any out and out left wingers being rumoured, other than Adingra, but that was only because Watson was going the other way.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Gutted to see him go, I think he has the potential to go right to the top. Hopefully we have a decent sell on percentage.

I'll try and pick out the positives of this, the club is in a position where we need to sell a player like this in the 10-15m bracket every season. We've just done next seasons early, so any pressure to sell Jobe or Rigg will be reduced.

It also means we can plan for next season, deals for Cirkin and Neil a priority, but we can also make concrete moves for targets too

We need to honest here mate and acknowledge that if we don’t get promoted, both of those lads will leave. The Watson sale won’t help that sadly.

 

[APH]

We need to honest here mate and acknowledge that if we don’t get promoted, both of those lads will leave. The Watson sale won’t help that sadly.

Sorry, should have clarified, I think at least 1 will be off, if not both. But in terms of us being desperate to sell as I think we were with Clarke, we shouldn't be

 

[Guinness Guzzler]

We need to honest here mate and acknowledge that if we don’t get promoted, both of those lads will leave. The Watson sale won’t help that sadly.

I'm hoping we keep Rigg. He's obviously a great prospect, much better than Watson, but he isn't yet running games in this division. Teams would want him, but without contract pressures hopefully we can convince him to give it another season. Jobe could have left after last season but I'd hazard a guess that having this extra year, looking genuinely good at this level, will mean both we and he get considerably more when he goes. Jobe probably doesn't gain much from another year in this league so if we don't go up I suspect he'll be off. Rigg isn't there yet imo. Hopefully next season can be the season he really steps up, like Jobe did this, and then either we go up or he leaves for a fortune at the end of next season

 

[columbo70]

For me it would have been nice for an 18 year old to fight for his place and play for his home town club.A big club on the cusp of better things to come.

He has plenty of time in his life to make mega bucks and if he had an amzing season next year he would have enhnaced his profile even more. I do think a buy out clause in a contract and a promise if he wanted to go he could, would have been the better option for him. I do wish him well and I hope he just doesnt get loaned out next season back in Championship.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

I think you're right on all of that, although I'd expect any quoted wages to be basic. First team players in particular probably make a lot of their money from bonuses on top of this, which would vastly increase the actual bill. I'll admit, just from playing FM, I remember the option for sharing bonuses based on league position etc between a squad. I'm sure that's a thing in real life and skills presumably hit the wage bill on the accounts.

But aye, won't be less than 10k. I suspect even we'd get near to that figure. We'll likely never know but I'd expect around 15k but with guaranteed raise if he gets in the side regularly etc. It'll be big money for him, but time will tell if it's as good as it gets. Might end up looking back thinking he could have made more over the course of his career if he'd stayed here. But I suppose we weren't going to guarantee him games either. Fuck it, he's gone, it's disappointing given we developed him and he's ultimately given us fuck all, don't really care if he fades into obscurity and if he doesn't at least we've got a sell on.

With bonuses I can see him easily getting £15k a week if he is playing PL football. I just can’t see him getting anywhere near that if he is just playing youth football.

From his point of view though, if we were rightly offering say £1.5-3k a week, then even if he is on 8-10k, it’s still a significant improvement.

Rigg mind, given the interest in him, will easily command £25k+ a week in the PL