Grumpy Old Man
Striker
And he makes mistakes. The point is he makes fewer than most, and is conspicuously even-handed.
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And he makes mistakes. The point is he makes fewer than most, and is conspicuously even-handed.
Agree. But he was probably the last person we needed sending off. Still very naive, I think for the second we had 5 players ahead of the ball.
Do you reckon if you went round the other teams forums they'd all say the same about Madley?
Voice of fair play
Striker
That’s fair enough but imo I think a high majority of people on this board would have a different opinion of the same incident if a boro player done exactly the same.
I often wonder if refs should not make correct decisions to appease fans, rather than worrying about right decisions they should just make sure decisions are evened out such is the way fans look at things silly nowadays.
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Grumpy Old Man
Striker
I think they probably would, My opinion is based on seeing him running games not involving us. At the other extreme, you have people like Keith Stroud, who seems to run by RNG. I've umpired cricket up to student international/Premier League level. I know how hard it is. But referees still drive me mad, even if we're not involved. They do themselves no favours when, as in the PL over the last two weeks, they get basic things wrong, like the offside at Spurs, and the non red card for Gross taday.
It's all about percentages and degree of mistake IMO.
Good refs will get the odd few wrong but the vast majority of the big decisions right.
The more fuck ups you make it stands to reason one of those fuck ups will end up being a big decision.
Some decisions are inexplicably poor. Like Blackburn's second goal last season when the player was standing still a couple of yards offside and scores. It wasn't late movement or an on then offside debatable thing. It was a shocking decision by the linesman.
Yesterday Jack Clarke won a header and the ball came off their player for our throw. It was given a Boro throw, not sure if it was the ref or the linesman as some refs bully linesmen? It's a terrible decision. The ball changed course and slowed down. Anybody who knows anything about footy can see that immediately. They couldn't yesterday.
That innocuous incident summed up the level of referring yesterday. It was shite.
parsonjohn1985
Striker
f***ing hell you literally defend out manHe can't just call the ref what he likes as long as he's not be over aggressive whilst doing it. The video suggests the ref was waving him away and Neil has overstepped the mark hence the card
What did he call the ref
Georgewhitt
Winger
I know I'm in the minority mate, but Neil keeps his gob shut, he doesn't get booked.
Tell me I'm wrong, and why?
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
This! It needs stamping out from the top level and move the attitudes towards the way players/managers act towards officials in rugby. I've mentioned this before as it's that bad they trialled refs wearing bodycams.
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The refs started hoying out plenty yellow cards early in the season but it soon wore off and players having been getting more into the refs again so now when they're sometimes punished it's shown to be inconsistent.
Any player who does get booked for dissent needs to accept it regardless of what happens elsewhere in the game. It's the rules and just because it isn't applied all the time that doesn't mean you won't ever get penalised for it. The same for speed camera signs as often there's no camera and people still speed taking that small risk. Yet when there is a camera and people get caught they complain even though the rules are as clear as day. The simple answer is that if players don't do it then they won't ever get booked, especially if already on a yellow as the ref shouldn't even be noticing you.
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Voice of fair play
Striker
Surely logic suggests the best refs are the ones appointed to the biggest games.
The people who appoint them have all their performances at their fingertips.
Therefore are in a miles more informed position than anyone on this board to decide who the best refs are??
That’s just logical common sense.
The people who appoint them have all their performances at their fingertips.
Therefore are in a miles more informed position than anyone on this board to decide who the best refs are??
That’s just logical common sense.
sofatester
Striker
Yes your wrong because he did nothing different to almost every player out there. The amount of times I watch a game on TV and a player tells the ref or linesman to fuck off after a decision and absolutely nothing is done about it.
Neil was in the middle of a high pressure game and said ref that's a f***ing foul. Now if you think that's a yellow card then dear f***ing god football is finished
You've no idea what the vast majority of refs get up to week in week out. Do you keep a dossier of something?. Ultimately like everything some are better than others but every single one if them makes mistakes and lots of them. The majority of times what's deemed as a mistake by a a supporter is just them not agreeing with the decision when it reality with the one look the refs had at full speed from one angle you can see why the ref gave what he did
Voice of fair play
Striker
Why on these debates are good decisions not brought up which they will be plenty and it’s always examples of bad decisions.
Is that a fair way to judge.
With players their good games allow their mistakes to be offset, people don’t allow that with refs.
The bottom line with these debates is a ref at the weekend between Wigan and Exeter could have the best game ever this season and not one person on this thread will know about it.
Yet a ref in another game could make one high profile mistake and due to social media the whole world knows about that by 5.15.
It’s a totally unfair way to judge overall performances
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rob79safc
Midfield
youre clearly on summit sonny..
GipseT
Striker
The ref you.... lol
Georgewhitt
Winger
Mate, I agree the ref was shite.
But I asked the question "If Neil had kept his gob shut, would he have been booked?"
The answer to that has to be no.
Whatever other things the ref did or didn't give, if DN says nowt, he doesn't get booked.
Shirley you can accept that.
wicketkeeper
Striker
He didnt because it has happened literally hundreds of times before with no consequences. Consequently he had every right to expect the same result.
He cant be blamed when a referee acts in a totally unprecedented way.
Surely you can accept that.
Georgewhitt
Winger
No mate I can't accept that.
Neil knows the rules, was already on a yellow, which was borderline red, and should have kept his f***ing head down.
He gave the ref got an opportuniy to book him, and the ref took it.
He keeps his gob shut, he doesn't get booked.
I've repeatedly said I agree the ref was shite, and inconsistent, but he can't book DN again, if DN doesn't gob off.
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wicketkeeper
Striker
You are speaking with the benefit of hindsight. The ref gave him a second yellow card so you argue he was silly.
Look at it from the players point of view at the time if something has never happened before in all the games you have played over many years why on this occasion would you expect it to.
You wouldnt and neither would any other person
If you have done the same thing in your job thousands of times and seen others do exactly the same why would you expect the consequences of what you do to change tomorrow. You wouldnt and neither would any reasonable person
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