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The Pep myth

kildaremackem said:
foden is one of their home grown, played today and is a bit good

cloughy might have anted to try summat different when his team in red got relegated
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It was the fault of the born winner - Roy Keane.
I think I read there were too many changes from the previous successful Forest,all at once.
Team work index/cohesion very important with team transitions.
Need Class of 92 types coming through all together.
 

Angelic Cynic said:
It was the fault of the born winner - Roy Keane.
I think I read there were too many changes from the previous successful Forest,all at once.
Team work index/cohesion very important with team transitions.
Need Class of 92 types coming through all together.
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team building based on taking bungs and team motivation based on bragging about physically asaultong players were also slightly outdated methods by then
 
Peace said:
He's the best manager in football history.

Every manager goes through a bad spell. Rodri a big loss.
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We’ll agree to disagree on that. I’d put the likes of Ferguson, Clough, Lippi, Del Bosque Mourinho etc ahead of him. 3 of them I’ve mentioned have built inferior teams from scratch to win European trophies and Lippi has won the Champions League and the World Cup, same as Del Bosque but who has won the European Championship. Not saying Guardiola isn’t a decent manager, it obviously takes something to manage the great players, but I’d like to see him take on an inferior team and build them in to something.
 
He is just ‘the best’ for me. Fergie a confident second followed by Ancelotti.

I think a lot of people forget what Pep has done. Created the best club side in the world (Barca ‘08 to 2011) then got Bayern filling a great brand of football and then now. 6 out of 7 league titles?
 
joedurham said:
I wasn't counting him as he's been around such a long time. I was thinking more of the last couple of years. But yes, he's home grown
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i mean you are right he is quite established...my point was really that he is probably seen as the successor to one of the older players in the squad..perhaps de brueyne
 
SAFC 2012 said:
So let me get this straight.

Smb logic dictates our form has fell away because we have injuries in the squad?

City have had worse injuries but their form has fell away because the managers been found out?

I see
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Incorrect. We have 9 out. City have 4 out.

Pep is an all time great manager, I'm not disputing that.

By the way - Are you the one that was dismissive of the advantage of parachute payments, in the sheff united thread?
 
Seaham Towny said:
He is just ‘the best’ for me. Fergie a confident second followed by Ancelotti.

I think a lot of people forget what Pep has done. Created the best club side in the world (Barca ‘08 to 2011) then got Bayern filling a great brand of football and then now. 6 out of 7 league titles?
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He’s been great.

But the Barca side is somewhat easier to build than most when you have arguably the best player of all time. Plus Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets

Bayern were how dominant before he turned up?
 
Seaham Towny said:
He is just ‘the best’ for me. Fergie a confident second followed by Ancelotti.

I think a lot of people forget what Pep has done. Created the best club side in the world (Barca ‘08 to 2011) then got Bayern filling a great brand of football and then now. 6 out of 7 league titles?
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Tbf, he inherited a prime Iniesta, Xavi, Ronaldinho, Puyol as well as a 20 year old Messi and Henry in his early 30’s.

Be hard not to get a tune out of that team.
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
He’s been great.

But the Barca side is somewhat easier to build than most when you have arguably the best player of all time. Plus Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets

Bayern were how dominant before he turned up?
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arguably he under performed at bayern..they won leagues but they usually do...but didnt win the champs league which is the big target
 
Seaham Towny said:
He is just ‘the best’ for me. Fergie a confident second followed by Ancelotti.

I think a lot of people forget what Pep has done. Created the best club side in the world (Barca ‘08 to 2011) then got Bayern filling a great brand of football and then now. 6 out of 7 league titles?
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Rijkaard already built the foundation for that though, he won two successive La Liga’s and a Champions League in his tenure. Pep inherited that team plus Messi, he was always going to win something.
 
Good Teeth Keith said:
Tbf, he inherited a prime Iniesta, Xavi, Ronaldinho, Puyol as well as a 20 year old Messi and Henry in his early 30’s.

Be hard not to get a tune out of that team.
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Inherited some tremendous individual talents but as a team they’d been a bit of a mess in the last couple of seasons under Rijkaard.

Obviously Messi would have been ridiculous under any manager but Xavi and Iniesta clearly kicked onto another level under Guardiola.
 
gatopreto said:
Incorrect. We have 9 out. City have 4 out.

Pep is an all time great manager, I'm not disputing that.

By the way - Are you the one that was dismissive of the advantage of parachute payments, in the sheff united thread?
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Incorrect?

Theyve got/ had rodri and de bruyne out I’d argue their issue is slightly bigger than ours like
 
Good Teeth Keith said:
Tbf, he inherited a prime Iniesta, Xavi, Ronaldinho, Puyol as well as a 20 year old Messi and Henry in his early 30’s.

Be hard not to get a tune out of that team.
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A side that didn’t do too well from my recollection. Binned Ronaldinho and promoted the likes of Busquets and Pedro.

The reason Iniesta and Xavi and Puyol are remembered now is because of Pep, not the other way around. When he got there they were all in their mid to late twenties and no one gave them a second thought.
 
Seaham Towny said:
then got Bayern filling a great brand of football and then now. 6 out of 7 league titles?
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He got tons of cricisim for his time at Bayern for failing in Europe.

Guardiola's very first match managing Barcelona, the team already included Henry, Eto, Messi, Toure, Xavi & Iniesta :lol:
 
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Maravilla said:
Inherited some tremendous individual talents but as a team they’d been a bit of a mess in the last couple of seasons under Rijkaard.

Obviously Messi would have been ridiculous under any manager but Xavi and Iniesta clearly kicked onto another level under Guardiola.
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People always re write history with those two. Pre Pep, Xavi was mostly playing deeper and Iniesta played wide. He turned them into the World Class midfielders they became.

‘Oh I could’ve done shit with them two and Messi’

Rijkaard didn’t
Shambo said:
He got tons of cricisim for his time at Bayern for failing in Europe.

Guardiola's very first match managing Barcelona, the team already included Henry, Eto, Messi, Toure, Xavi & Iniesta :lol:
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See what Bayern fans actually think of him…
 
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