The great allrounders
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Bezzabee
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I fully agree, but he’s not an all rounder.
The Red Telephone
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Fry's feats outside of cricket are well documented but having recently finished reading Sobers' 2002 autobiography I discovered he also represented Barbados in football, golf, table tennis and dominoes...its a fair bet he could have represented his island in boozing as well !!
SuperMarcoRowell
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Do we class Hadlee as an all-rounder? Averaged 27 with the bat and usually batted 7 or 8
mackembhoy
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He bowled fast medium,leg spin and off spin.
Would change his action depending on the situation.
Easy to just look at an average for those that haven't seen him(myself included).
Benaud had him in his greatest XI enough for me like
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Yes, on occasion I do, but I'm not that knowledgeable about it.
Mr Redknapp
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And mate of Adolf Hitler
smoker
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Are you lot taking the piss now?
Some all-rounders are better at bowling and some at batting.
An average of 27 is a bit better than what you'd term a 'handy lower order batsman'.
An all rounder is exactly that - good at both. Are we classing Jimmy as an all-rounder because he so good at bowling that it doesn't matter about his single figure average because "some are better at bowling"?
smoker
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That's a total straw man.
Hadlee has 2 test centuries and 14 first class centuries, and was regarded as one of the 'great all rounders of the 1980's' along with Botham, Kapil Dev and Imran Khan. Every article ever written about him refers to him as an all-rounder. Only a total WUM would argue he was a specialist bowler.
How about this objective definition to end the twattery?
Bat: >20, Bowl: <30: Bowling all-rounder
Bat: >30, Bowl: <35: True (50:50) all-rounder
Bat: >35, Bowl: <45: Batting all-rounder
Dominic Bess
Any need? I only asked the question You don't need to get abusive and upset
smoker
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That wasn't an especially abusive post, but I am getting a bit ticked off with 'Akram isn't an all-rounder', 'Hadlee isn't an all-rounder' crack hence my attempt to offer a more objective definition. If you play cricket and make a regular impact with bat and bowl then you're an all-rounder. Some people seem to be adding the additional baggage of being equally good at both, which is rare.
taipeisafc
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Good basis that, makes sense
Baffles me too.Bowler/ batsman does two jobs and is an all rounder.Oh I agree, he’s not an all rounder then.
Wicketkeeper/ batsman does two jobs and isn' t an all rounder.
Rod Marsh and Ian Healy would be in that list.
Perhaps with them being modernish all rounder hasn't caught on yet.
The Hesford Diet
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On the BT Player, I've found the 86 / 87 Ashes series. I never realised just what a great innings Botham's 138 in the 1st test at Brisbane was. A brilliant combination of aggression and control.
He came in with England wobbling after losing two wickets for no runs at the start of the second day and just took the game away from Australia completely.
I've noticed the Australian commentator Max Walker saying Botham's bowling has become a lot slower but the Aussie batsmen still feared him. He said it was in their minds, before even facing a ball, that he could take their wicket with any sort ol delivery.
A match winner even when some way past his prime.
He came in with England wobbling after losing two wickets for no runs at the start of the second day and just took the game away from Australia completely.
I've noticed the Australian commentator Max Walker saying Botham's bowling has become a lot slower but the Aussie batsmen still feared him. He said it was in their minds, before even facing a ball, that he could take their wicket with any sort ol delivery.
A match winner even when some way past his prime.
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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