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Gaggoears said:
It's weird oldie. It's like a biblical ending and I was brought up religiously strict.
Honestly oldie I don't agree with your standpoint on this but I would love to meet you for a beer in the future to discuss matters.
Please don't take a risk either way, hang on and see what happens.
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Lets see how it pans out over the winter + US election, I'm not really a social animal to be honest. It's interesting you mention religion as from research a lot of this does tie in, that's not to say religious prophesy is true but if some people believe it to be true it could manifest as such. Either way try not to stress and get anxiety, we'll get through this.
 


Sinbad Skullhead said:
Have you taken a tour of this board read the politics forum jesus failing to call out our leaders are you blind. The fact that you can write that turd and still have your freedom and safety and you know it wouldnt be the same in the other countries you mention. That isnt a small thing to be overlooked.
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Please stop the profanities.
Apt you mentioned Jesus mind.
 
Sinbad Skullhead said:
Have you taken a tour of this board read the politics forum jesus failing to call out our leaders are you blind. The fact that you can write that turd and still have your freedom and safety and you know it wouldnt be the same in the other countries you mention. That isnt a small thing to be overlooked.
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I don't overlook it at all. We currently have a situation in the UK and the USA where people are happy for their leaders to lie to them repeatedly; to distort the democratic process and to reduce the judiciary and scientists to bystanders. The west has lost the moral high ground and allowed the likes of China, Iran, NK, Brazil, Turkey, Saudi, etc to act with impunity.

We used to believe that China would become more like us. The reverse is happening and a lot of our population is happy to go along with it.
 
Billericay Dichio said:
I don't overlook it at all. We currently have a situation in the UK and the USA where people are happy for their leaders to lie to them repeatedly; to distort the democratic process and to reduce the judiciary and scientists to bystanders. The west has lost the moral high ground and allowed the likes of China, Iran, NK, Brazil, Turkey, Saudi, etc to act with impunity.

We used to believe that China would become more like us. The reverse is happening and a lot of our population is happy to go along with it.
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Very good post indeed
 
hairynaker said:
Has that been confirmed yet do you know?
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Researchers at the University of Barcelona say they have detected COVID-19 in samples taken from wastewater collected in March 2019, nine months before the disease was first discovered in China.
The potentially hugely significant finding indicates the coronavirus could have been in general circulation long before it was officially detected in Spain or the rest of the world.
France and Italy have also each reported findings from wastewater treatment plants from before the first official cases were known.
Researchers say that detecting the virus even just one month before it was officially discovered could have vastly improved the response to the pandemic.
"We found traces of the virus in a single sample from March 2019 and then never again until 2020," said Albert Bosch, the university's research leader.
"The virus concentration in the sample was at the same level as samples from March and April 2020. Maybe it wasn't detected at the time because it was flu season and nobody was looking for it."
Both symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers of COVID-19 shed the virus in their feces, making sewage surveillance a powerful tool for monitoring the spread of the disease throughout the community.
The study analyzed samples from two wastewater treatment plants in Barcelona from 13 April, approximately the epidemic's peak, to 25 May. They also tested frozen archival samples from as far back as January 2018.
The researchers first found the virus was present in Barcelona on 15 January 2020, 41 days before the first case was officially reported in the city.
Then they ran tests on samples taken between January 2018 and December 2019 and found the presence of the virus genome in one of them, collected on 12 March 2019, nine months before the virus was first discovered in China.
Spain's health ministry is yet to comment on the findings, but Joan Ramon Villalbi from the country's Society for Public Health and Sanitary Administration said the research was "definitely interesting" and that it "was suggestive."
However, he added it is still too early to draw any definitive conclusions and that more testing is needed.
"When it's just one result, you always want more data, more studies, more samples to confirm it and rule out a laboratory error or a methodological problem," said Villalbi.
According to the researchers, one way to back up the findings would be to examine blood samples from influenza patients admitted to Barcelona hospitals in March 2019 to see if they were infected with COVID-19 but misdiagnosed.
The researchers believe the findings could have been replicated around the globe.
"Barcelona is a business and commerce hub, as well as a popular venue for massive events, gathering visitors from many parts of the world. It is nevertheless likely that similar situations may have occurred in several other parts of the world, with circulation of unnoticed COVID-19 cases in the community," said the report.
 
raindog said:
Researchers at the University of Barcelona say they have detected COVID-19 in samples taken from wastewater collected in March 2019, nine months before the disease was first discovered in China.
The potentially hugely significant finding indicates the coronavirus could have been in general circulation long before it was officially detected in Spain or the rest of the world.
France and Italy have also each reported findings from wastewater treatment plants from before the first official cases were known.
Researchers say that detecting the virus even just one month before it was officially discovered could have vastly improved the response to the pandemic.
"We found traces of the virus in a single sample from March 2019 and then never again until 2020," said Albert Bosch, the university's research leader.
"The virus concentration in the sample was at the same level as samples from March and April 2020. Maybe it wasn't detected at the time because it was flu season and nobody was looking for it."
Both symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers of COVID-19 shed the virus in their feces, making sewage surveillance a powerful tool for monitoring the spread of the disease throughout the community.
The study analyzed samples from two wastewater treatment plants in Barcelona from 13 April, approximately the epidemic's peak, to 25 May. They also tested frozen archival samples from as far back as January 2018.
The researchers first found the virus was present in Barcelona on 15 January 2020, 41 days before the first case was officially reported in the city.
Then they ran tests on samples taken between January 2018 and December 2019 and found the presence of the virus genome in one of them, collected on 12 March 2019, nine months before the virus was first discovered in China.
Spain's health ministry is yet to comment on the findings, but Joan Ramon Villalbi from the country's Society for Public Health and Sanitary Administration said the research was "definitely interesting" and that it "was suggestive."
However, he added it is still too early to draw any definitive conclusions and that more testing is needed.
"When it's just one result, you always want more data, more studies, more samples to confirm it and rule out a laboratory error or a methodological problem," said Villalbi.
According to the researchers, one way to back up the findings would be to examine blood samples from influenza patients admitted to Barcelona hospitals in March 2019 to see if they were infected with COVID-19 but misdiagnosed.
The researchers believe the findings could have been replicated around the globe.
"Barcelona is a business and commerce hub, as well as a popular venue for massive events, gathering visitors from many parts of the world. It is nevertheless likely that similar situations may have occurred in several other parts of the world, with circulation of unnoticed COVID-19 cases in the community," said the report.
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That's a no then. You would have thought that further testing and a peer review would have happened or other results elsewhere.
 
It's almost as if most of the world, all of mainsteam media, and virtually the whole of this board think that Coronavirus and Covid-19 are exactly the same thing instead of the one being a specific strain of the very common other.
 
raindog said:
Funny thing is that it's potentially the best test in predicting the spikes.... Not bad for a flawed test


www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus: Sewage testing for Covid-19 begins in England

Samples will be checked for signs of the virus, to get early warnings of spikes in infection levels.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Sounds like it is.

IIRC the Barcelona tests only showed a reaction to one of the 3 key indicators, so they couldn't take it as being definite. That indicator could also indicate some other SARS like infection, or something like that.

If it had been around since then, how did it not "explode" onto the scene until it did. It just wouldn't seem credible knowing what we are seeing and being told now - or maybe the conspiracy theorists/denyers are onto something
 
spitfire said:
Sounds like it is.

IIRC the Barcelona tests only showed a reaction to one of the 3 key indicators, so they couldn't take it as being definite. That indicator could also indicate some other SARS like infection, or something like that.

If it had been around since then, how did it not "explode" onto the scene until it did. It just wouldn't seem credible knowing what we are seeing and being told now - or maybe the conspiracy theorists/denyers are onto something
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Maybe it was still in its infancy of mutating... symptoms may have been less severe and mistaken for heavy cold or stomach bug and easily passed over as a bug by unaware GPs.... I suppose you could say that because Specialists who now have a better knowledge of the virus are now using other meds like Dexamethesone to good effect in keeping the death toll down in recent months as well as herd immunity kicking in.
 
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ouro said:
It's almost as if most of the world, all of mainsteam media, and virtually the whole of this board think that Coronavirus and Covid-19 are exactly the same thing instead of the one being a specific strain of the very common other.
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Really? I find most people seem aware tbh.
 
spitfire said:
Sounds like it is.

IIRC the Barcelona tests only showed a reaction to one of the 3 key indicators, so they couldn't take it as being definite. That indicator could also indicate some other SARS like infection, or something like that.

If it had been around since then, how did it not "explode" onto the scene until it did. It just wouldn't seem credible knowing what we are seeing and being told now - or maybe the conspiracy theorists/denyers are onto something
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Hmmmm. I don't buy it myself. That BBC report that you linked to suggested that the test could have been down to lab contamination. I guess we just don't know, however the evidence to date points to something occurring in Wuhan late last year which caused all of this shite.
 
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