Nail on head. Everyone will benefit if The Hundred takes off.
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Nail on head. Everyone will benefit if The Hundred takes off.
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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I'm a Durham fan and also a fan of cricket, this new hideous competition will alienate my club & many others and for that reason I hope it fails. Not sure how this competition will put the likes of Durham/Leicestershire/Kent for example on the map. I stand by my view, I hope it fails massively. It won't get a penny off me.
How exactly will Durham benefit? How exactly will the 50 over game benefit? Are you confident T20 crowds will remain?
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Voice of fair play
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I am not bothered about Durham, cricket was thriving in this country well before Durham became a first class county.
In fact cricket in Durham county itself was thriving before Durham became a first class county.
The longevity of cricket is more important than Durham.
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If The Hundred succeeds the ECB has more cash and more kids will get into cricket. Durham would benefit from both.
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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What makes you think Durham/Kent for example would see any of that money?
Each to their own.
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Therein lies the problem of you being able to debate this and understand it on our level then doesn’t it?
The majority on here care about county cricket.
I can’t beleive you can be so narrowminded however to miss the bigger picture. You say you care about the longevity of cricket, but how can cricket exist in this country if the counties competing are cut by more than half?
That’s what many of us see as a doomsday scenario, we genuinely believe - and we aren’t alone here - that the people who are supposed to run the game in this country for the best of its members are guilty of gross negligence at best. At worst, there is a criminal level of mismanagement and downright corruption.
Look at social media, look at the replies to posts/tweets from the ECB or TMS or on the County Championship Facebook page to see that the opinions of the many on here are the same in absolution to the opinions of most on there.
But back to the County game, that you aren’t particularly a fan of - and that’s absolutely your choice - but realise that if it wasn’t for a strong County game, there would be no strength of the England side and without Durham, we wouldn’t have won Two World Cups.
So ask yourself, how the mismanagement and potential ‘murder’ of several counties will benefit the game and contribute to the longevity of cricket?
How many Cricketers from Northumberland/Durham/Cumbria played for England in the 100 years prior to Durham becoming a first class County?
And, how many have played for England since 1992?
It started with Simon Brown, took us to Paul Collingwood and now to Ben Stokes - with an abundance of talent inbetween.
Those lads wouldn’t have got their chance if it wasn’t for Durham being a First Class County.
Look at the contribution Leicestershire have made to English cricket in their time? Stuart Broad most notably of the recent team.
Northamptonshire too? Graeme Swann - finest English spinner of the modern era.
So I respect your stance of optimism towards The Hundred, but I just hope you can appreciate why so many of us on here are completely at variance with it.
Because ultimately, it scares me f***ing shitless to think that in a decade for example there may not be First Class cricket in Durham.
They're already seeing £1.3m a year of it. If it's a success that'll likely rise.
I really can’t see how that will be true.
The counties who have been picked to ‘host’ it will make an absolute f***ing killing - those who don’t get a ‘franchise’ will become second class citizens.
Wow, that’s an absolutely hideous post. The ignorance is galling.
See my point regarding Durham providing England with playing talent.
How many World Cups have England won with massive contributions from Durham lads?
How many had we won prior to Durham becoming First Class?
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GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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All good and well but zero participation will continue to see us poorer than the rest. 1.3 million means absolutely nowt when the participating teams will be earning treble etc.
Voice of fair play
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You not seriously suggesting a world star such as Ben Stokes would not have got a chance at another county if Durham never existed surely not?
And yes without Durham of course we would have still won two world cups as the players you mentioned were clearly talented enough to be picked up by other counties and then on to represent England.
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GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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Maybe, maybe not but the fact is Durham brought him through the ranks, just like many others. Durham academy is one of the very best and has been for a very long time. He wasn't a world star when I first watched him, Durham invested a lot of time and effort into him.
Voice of fair play
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Once again it’s clear them players you mentioned were massive talents and would have made it to the England side with or without Durham
You have actually said in one of your posts Ben Stokes would not have got his chance without Durham, don’t think you have thought that through tbh, you can’t have.
Nobody is saying they didn’t, but Ben Stokes was always going to be a world star, you know that as well as I do
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Are you seriously suggesting he would have like?
The facts are there pal, how many lads from the North East and Cumbria got opportunities to play for England before we became a First Class County?
Why continue to ignore something that is absolutely obviously true? It’s infuriating and it’s a f***ing insult to Durham CCC actually.
How else would a lad from Shotley Bridge get to captain England?
Liam Plunkett was binned off by Yorkshire as a youngster, without the safety net of Durham there’s no way he would’ve had the career he has.
I’m embarrassed for you actually, that you’re trying to ignore the facts.
I strongly suggest you go and do some research - I’d recommend that your first port of call is Tim Wellock’s book about Durham, because there’s countless examples in it of fine Cricketers from these parts who never got to realise their ambition because county scouts never ventured north of Middlesbrough.
Oh and read this article -
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GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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The likes of Geoff Cook don't appear at every club. Easy in hindsight now to say "this player was always nailed on for England". Durham have produced some amazing cricketers and deserve huge credit for that. The one player I instantly thought would play for England was Keaton Jennings, ironically gone backwards since leaving Durham. I'm pretty sure Plunkett was binned before joining Durham
Voice of fair play
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I think you allowing your loyalty of been a Durham fan to cloud your judgement.
Of course I respect you been a fan of Durham and your passion for the club, and of course I see your last point about more players been given a chance of first class cricket in this area because of Durham they may otherwise have not got.
But Ben Stokes is one of the best cricketers in the world of course he would have still made it to where he is without Durham, he is far too talented not too, you have to know that deep down, despite your understandable loyaltly to Durham.
Same with Stuart Broad that you mentioned and Collingwood.
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Nah, it’s you that hasn’t thought it through. I’m embarrassed for you actually, because you haven’t got a clue how far he’s come thanks to him coming to Durham.
You don’t take an interest in county cricket, so how can you claim any expertise at all in the subject?
Who would’ve picked him up if not for Durham then? Seeing how you know so much about it?
Ha’way then, see above and explain to us how.
Bearing in mind, it’s likely that Stokes would’ve ended up following his fathers footsteps into rugby were it not for Durham taking him on the books.
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Don’t take my word for it, read the article from a Yorkshireman.
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Voice of fair play
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It’s just getting silly now, as you not seeing common sense, I have tried to meet you half way by agreeing Durham has brought youngsters through and given them chances they would not possibly have had due to Durham been a first class county.
Plunkett yeah possibly, can see where you coming from with him fair point.
But to still insist one of the best cricketers in the world would not have made it without Durham is farcical tbh.
You haven’t met me halfway at all.
You fail to acknowledge the impact Durham CCC has had on Ben Stokes.
Just what pathway do you think there is for Cumbrian cricketers?
We took Stokes in at 17/18 back in 2009, he made his FC debut in 2010 and scored his maiden FC hundred a month later in the May at Trent Bridge (I was there). In the winter of 2010 he was picked to play in the Ashes for England. The rest is history.
So in your opinion, in that short time, how if it wasn’t for Durham would Ben Stokes have been in a position he is in today? What would his pathway from Cockermouth CC in 2009 be, to elevate him to a Test Hundred in Perth less than 18 months later?
Moreover, how many talented lads from Staffordshire for example, or Shropshire, don’t get a chance to showcase their talents because the counties don’t go looking there?
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Voice of fair play
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I am not for one minute saying they did not do a good job bringing him on, of course they clearly did.
But he was clearly talented enough to make it either way, which the fast track process you have just mentioned clearly shows.
Do you not think his talent would have put him where he is today.
But he was clearly talented enough to make it either way, which the fast track process you have just mentioned clearly shows.
Do you not think his talent would have put him where he is today.
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Absolutely right.
No people in our ground, no merchandise sold, no second and third and so on and so forth visitors, no beer sold, no bait sold, no memberships sold, no chance of kids watching live cricket on their doorsteps, we could go on for days.
EH?!! What the.....?!
Fast track process?
You don’t realise that the only way he was able to achieve what he achieved, was because Durham gave him that opportunity to showcase his talent.
If he got no county deal in 2009, how the fuck would he have been in the Ashes squad in 2010?
PLEASE enlighten us all. So far you’ve come up with the square root of fuckall in the way of an explanation as to how Durham haven’t played a massive part in the success of Ben Stokes.
To think you had the audacity to accuse me of lacking common sense
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