• The forum upgrades are now largely complete.
    Please read this thread for more details.
    New user registrations are currently disabled.

Sunderland vs boro 22 Jan 23


It has the same added spice as a game against Wigan. Basically playing a club whose fans are obsessed with us and think it matters.
 
Dodgy said:
You seem to be ignoring this part of my initial post.
Click to expand...

So in the last 20 years - since 2000. From memory your most successful period was when we hardly played you due to being in different divisions (Bruce etc). When we have played you, it was Wilkinson, McCarthy, Coleman, Moyes - and we beat you.

I mean you were shite. You were.
 
wev17 said:
Nothing game really. Sunderland don't care about Boro.
Click to expand...
I can't speak for every single SAFC fan, but as far as I'm concerned Sunderland fans aren't that bothered about Boro. When you beat us earlier in the season it felt like any other defeat.

I was talking to my Sheffield United supporting neighbour last night (who works in boro) and he was asking if there was any issues with Tony Mowbray's boro roots, I told him I don't think I've heard it mentioned and it's hardly an issue (I said it might be different if we were getting beat every week mind). He was surprised and said the boro supporters he knows are right up for playing Sunderland and hate us. I said playing boro probably has a bit more edge to it than playing Sheffield United (his team) for example, but it's nothing like playing against Newcastle. I was saying boro's 30 miles away, no one I know ever speaks or sees any boro fans. I said it might be different in the south of the region but in the tyne and wear area boro are hardly given a second thought outside of actually playing against you.

I'm not trying to be funny, but that is genuinely the case up here in my experience.
 
wev17 said:
So in the last 20 years - since 2000. From memory your most successful period was when we hardly played you due to being in different divisions (Bruce etc). When we have played you, it was Wilkinson, McCarthy, Coleman, Moyes - and we beat you.

I mean you were shite. You were.
Click to expand...
But... but you said we were shite in 97 when we beat you, so surely being shite doesn't matter, by your way of thinking. You really can't have it both ways, marra. :lol:
 
Dodgy said:
But... but you said we were shite in 97 when we beat you, so surely being shite doesn't matter, by your way of thinking. You really can't have it both ways, marra. :lol:
Click to expand...

All I have said is Boro being more up for it doesn't play a part in the result. It didn't in 1997. It didn't in 2004. It didn't in 2022. What does play a part is other factors - quality of team, where the clubs are in that period of time, tactics, players in form. All standard football stuff.
 
WHD said:
I can't speak for every single SAFC fan, but as far as I'm concerned Sunderland fans aren't that bothered about Boro. When you beat us earlier in the season it felt like any other defeat.

I was talking to my Sheffield United supporting neighbour last night (who works in boro) and he was asking if there was any issues with Tony Mowbray's boro roots, I told him I don't think I've heard it mentioned and it's hardly an issue (I said it might be different if we were getting beat every week mind). He was surprised and said the boro supporters he knows are right up for playing Sunderland and hate us. I said playing boro probably has a bit more edge to it than playing Sheffield United (his team) for example, but it's nothing like playing against Newcastle. I was saying boro's 30 miles away, no one I know ever speaks or sees any boro fans. I said it might be different in the south of the region but in the tyne and wear area boro are hardly given a second thought outside of actually playing against you.

I'm not trying to be funny, but that is genuinely the case up here in my experience.
Click to expand...
That I feel is the best explanation. Sunderland and Boro fans mix in South Durham and the North Side of the river(I'm from the south side and don't know any Sunderland fans). This mixing gives Boro fans a team to hate, but the Sunderland fans already have Newcastle. I think the Southside fans just pick up on the hate from the northside ones. For my part being south of the river there is a mingling (the further south you get) with Leeds fans, I think this explains Boro's major dislike of Leeds. For me the order of dislike is Sunderland and Leeds very close and Newcastle a very distant Third. So much so that when Boro looked like going out of business in the 80's, I was looking for a team to go and watch, Sunderland and Leeds were discounted straight away, and I had picked the Mags. Lucky for me it never transpired.
 
Boro_Fan said:
That’s the claim but neither of my heads believe it.
Click to expand...

I don’t believe that either but also given the league context every game like this is huge anyway.
Startrite said:
In my opinion Boro is a derby, but not THE derby, and anybody who has been to us v the mags would know that. There us a real difference in fans attitude between the two games.

I don't mind Boro and the Boro lads who have worked with have all been sound and you can talk football and when appropriate they can laugh at themselves as we do. This is in total contrast with the mags who are borderline psychotic in their belief their own superiority.
Click to expand...

I agree with this. It’s not Newcastle but it’s still an important game.

It’s our second derby and I don’t know why people are so bothered about admitting that. Unless it’s just to try to wind Boro fans up.

Proper rivalries are good in football. Much prefer this to the recent pretend ones like Portsmouth, Wigan etc’.
 
Last edited:
Boro_Fan said:
That’s the claim but neither of my heads believe it.
Click to expand...
I think, if you ask football fans around the country and even around the world, to name big derbies in the UK, Middlesbrough v Sunderland will not get a mention. In fact, I don't think Middlesbrough will come up as having any big derbies. Newcastle v Sunderland will be high on many people's list. Local rivalry, yes. Derby, no. I'm desperate for Sunderland to win every game but Boro doesn't get me wound up like our derby games.
 
In my experience on this forum and from Sunderland fans I know - some genuinely don't feel it is a Derby, some do but say it isn't as they think it winds up Boro fans, and some think it is a 'second derby'.

It felt a much bigger game in the 80s and has slowly ebbed away for various reasons.

Either way I think we can all agree that it is a big game. Will you sell out?
 
Last edited:
wev17 said:
In my experience on this forum and from Sunderland fans I know - some genuinely don't feel it is a Derby, some do but say it isn't as they think it winds up Boro fans, and some think it is a 'second derby'.

It felt a much bigger game in the 80s and has slowly ebbed away for various reasons.

Either way I think we can all agree that it is a big game. Will you sell out?
Click to expand...

It’s a second derby. That’s not trying to do it down, just geography means Newcastle is always going to be a bigger deal.

Still a great game though.

I don’t think it’ll sell out. End of January, people will be feeling the pinch.
 
wev17 said:
In my experience on this forum and from Sunderland fans I know - some genuinely don't feel it is a Derby, some do but say it isn't as they think it winds up Boro fans, and some think it is a 'second derby'.

It felt a much bigger game in the 80s and has slowly ebbed away for various reasons.

Either way I think we can all agree that it is a big game. Will you sell out?
Click to expand...
I don't know because it doesn't hold the same feel of a big game across the wider fan base. I'm sure Boro will sell their allocation as we do at Boro but we sold 4300+ for Wigan on a Thursday night so a trip to Boro is a piece of cake. I know Boro travel well by the way, I'm not bigging up our travelling support but many tams in the Championship will have one of their biggest gates of the season.
Sunderland.
 
wev17 said:
In my experience on this forum and from Sunderland fans I know - some genuinely don't feel it is a Derby, some do but say it isn't as they think it winds up Boro fans, and some think it is a 'second derby'.

It felt a much bigger game in the 80s and has slowly ebbed away for various reasons.

Either way I think we can all agree that it is a big game. Will you sell out?
Click to expand...
I think Middlesbrough take it more seriously as a derby than sunderland, but it’s still a big rivalry IMO.
 
wev17 said:
In my experience on this forum and from Sunderland fans I know - some genuinely don't feel it is a Derby, some do but say it isn't as they think it winds up Boro fans, and some think it is a 'second derby'.

It felt a much bigger game in the 80s and has slowly ebbed away for various reasons.

Either way I think we can all agree that it is a big game. Will you sell out?
Click to expand...
I can say now with almost certainty it wont sell out. I'd be amazed if there was less than 40,000 though. It's an awful KO time.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top