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SW-Durham Mackem said:
No ones making you read it.

I don't think its making anyone feel 'geet hard'..people are just sharing old stories.
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Every one full of the same bravado :oops:

Not impressed half it divide by two = truth
Now lets talk football 8-)
 
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THELORDROWELL said:
Yer totally wrong marra it was security fences that killed those people at Hillsborough. Just thinking about a story me old man told me about the Man U cup replay at Roker in 64 he wouldn't let me go but he went down. He reckons when those gates burst open at the Roker end he was carried in, his feet were off the deck and it was just one massive surge. The official gate is 47,000 thousand but by all estimates there were over 80,000 in the ground that night.
They weren't hooligans just supporters desperate to see the match and if there'd been those f***ing fences up there'd have been a lot of dead people in Sunderland.
Hooligans may cause problems but the authorities respnses to them cause far worse ones.
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I see your point. We were at Hillsborough 3 years later and followed the usual pattern. Early bus down, drinking on the way, straight into a pub, drank as much as we could til as late as possible, then one mad rush for the ground, and pile in and try to get a decent spot to watch the game. Nothing hooly about it, but a very similar set of circumstances, although a bit better controlled at the time.
Unfortunately the fences came about because of football violence, and in the years following all the 'tragedies' etc, all seater stadia has pretty much pushed hooliganism out into the streets and pubs around our football cities. Its time it was all consigned to history, there's enough violence around as it is, without using a weekly football match as an excuse for more.
 
Icepick said:
Sick of reading the bravado crap in this thread myself mate
Makes some of you feel 'geet hard' to post in this thread does it? :oops:
Hopefully most posters on here go to support the club and obey the laws of the land
Can we stick to football maybe as we've got an important game on Monday night
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headcase
 
THELORDROWELL said:
Again disagree, it was poor organisation on the part of Cardiff City FC they must have known that we'd turn up in huge numbers and yet the turnstiles weren't ready for the volume of supporters. I've said on another thread, when we got there that day the car park wasn't even f***ing open there was a barrier across and people were sitting in their cars waiting, the lads in our Transit got out and rove the barrier off and everyone drove in, if that's hooliganism Ces't la vie.
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Look marra, I do agree with what you say but, when all is said and done, it's not really the responsibility of fotball fans to take the law into their own hands ........ having said that I've done it meself on many occassions, like Cardiff, but you have to take some of the blame if it goes wrong.

If those gates had gone and people had been killed or injured it would have been partly due to my actions and I'd have felt bad about it.
 
martinlumley said:
I see your point. We were at Hillsborough 3 years later and followed the usual pattern. Early bus down, drinking on the way, straight into a pub, drank as much as we could til as late as possible, then one mad rush for the ground, and pile in and try to get a decent spot to watch the game. Nothing hooly about it, but a very similar set of circumstances, although a bit better controlled at the time.
Unfortunately the fences came about because of football violence, and in the years following all the 'tragedies' etc, all seater stadia has pretty much pushed hooliganism out into the streets and pubs around our football cities. Its time it was all consigned to history, there's enough violence around as it is, without using a weekly football match as an excuse for more.
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Aye but what I'm trying to get across to some of this lot, how many people were killed in pitch invasions prior to the erection of fences?
Fighting at matches has been going on since time immemorial there was a pitch invasion in the early 1900s when Sunderland fans smashed the crossbar and pulled down the goal posts at St. James a park and fighting went on all night.
So why weren't these measures implemented then?

Riviera said:
Look marra, I do agree with what you say but, when all is said and done, it's not really the responsibility of fotball fans to take the law into their own hands ........ having said that I've done it meself on many occassions, like Cardiff, but you have to take some of the blame if it goes wrong.

If those gates had gone and people had been killed or injured it would have been partly due to my actions and I'd have felt bad about it.
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Incidents like that must have happened at matches throughout the country over the years with very little injury let alone loss of life. The Hillsborough tragedy can be lain directly at the door of the political opportunism of the Thatcher government, the sensationalism of the right wing press and finally the incompetence of the South Yorkshire police. without the first two factors those fences wouldn't have been there, and without the third it wouldn't have mattered.
 
Does anyone remember a midweek trip to the seaside (Blackpool) early-mid seventies when Josh's coaches arrived late? Several of us were crushed against the wall trying to breathe as wave upon wave attempted to get in the ground quick. It was nigh on half time when we finally got in through the only turnstile open for visiting supporters. Inside the ground all that pent up hate was directed towards the police and seasider's fans. Several fans were hoyed out. No apologies were given by the club or the baton happy Blackpool old bill for such shoddy treatment.
 
Riviera said:
I agree with all of the things you say, because it's all true.

However, I've witnessed the behaviour of mobs in general and Sunderland I particular. I was at Cardiff, York & Chelsea and know the power that a mob can exert over a few poorly trained stewards and the police. It was yobbish behaviour and through good fortune it didn't result in any great problems.
We knew it was yobbish behaviour but we felt we were justified, because of the poor organisation, and it was slightly funny that we could impose our will on the authorities.

Liverpool fans, in those days, had a dangerous culture of 'mob rule' and that was particularly bad at away games in Europe. Mobbing shops, to steal clothing etc, and gaining illegal entry into grounds was openly boasted about.

Because of that, and other aspects of the day at Hillsborough, it's hard to believe that there wasn't any yobbish behaviour. Whether you class that as hooliganism is open to debate.
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yes, and everyone knew all about that, yet they held the game at a crumbling ground and put fuckwits in charge of organising it.
 
Icepick said:
Every one full of the same bravado :oops:

Not impressed half it divide by two = truth
Now lets talk football 8-)
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so just joined and 5 posts in, 4 of which involve hooliganism,and yae want to talk about footy

SHITHEAD back on again?
 
Icepick said:
Hopefully most posters on here go to support the club and obey the laws of the land
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And that's the point dickhead...Liverpool fans did obey the laws.....

There was nothing on that ticket that said: "don't turn up after a few bevs in the pub at half two".

You understand the concept of 'duty of care'?

If the police/Sheffield Wednesday had a problem with people turning up at half 2 after a few bevs then it is ON THEIR WATCH....THE ONUS IS ON THEM TO STATE THAT. But they didn't. They were happy to take the fuckin' money and have the match beamed all over the world to beef up the English league and the rewards that come with that...but didn't take the time to organise what a few blokes in the club could organise. All it needed was to direct people to the right pens....ain't that difficult...I mean...that's their fuckin' jobs man.

And as they didn't....Liverpool fans turned up to go into the match. They didn't break any rules you wanker.

The people who broke the rules were the police and Sheffield Wednesday who had a duty to paying customers and fucked it up.

Imagine a load of theatre goers turning up half an hour before the event after a few glasses of wine and being herded into the middle section and one of them breaking a leg falling over seats. There'd be compensation claims and the public falling over themselves to agree. But because it's football fans...particularly Northern Working Class football fans then it's all right. Blame 'the animals'.

How the fuck the police have not been done for this and Sheffield Wednesday is beyond me...well it's not...I know why.

If this was a business....it would have been fucked....I guarantee you that...knowing something of corporate responsibility.
 
Locke's SAFC said:
And that's the point dickhead...Liverpool fans did obey the laws.....

There was nothing on that ticket that said: "don't turn up after a few bevs in the pub at half two".

You understand the concept of 'duty of care'?

If the police/Sheffield Wednesday had a problem with people turning up at half 2 after a few bevs then it is ON THEIR WATCH....THE ONUS IS ON THEM TO STATE THAT. But they didn't. They were happy to take the fuckin' money and have the match beamed all over the world to beef up the English league and the rewards that come with that...but didn't take the time to organise what a few blokes in the club could organise. All it needed was to direct people to the right pens....ain't that difficult...I mean...that's their fuckin' jobs man.

And as they didn't....Liverpool fans turned up to go into the match. They didn't break any rules you wanker.

The people who broke the rules were the police and Sheffield Wednesday who had a duty to paying customers and fucked it up.

Imagine a load of theatre goers turning up half an hour before the event after a few glasses of wine and being herded into the middle section and one of them breaking a leg falling over seats. There'd be compensation claims and the public falling over themselves to agree. But because it's football fans...particularly Northern Working Class football fans then it's all right. Blame 'the animals'.

How the fuck the police have not been done for this and Sheffield Wednesday is beyond me...well it's not...I know why.

If this was a business....it would have been fucked....I guarantee you that...knowing something of corporate responsibility.
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Back in the day we used to turn up as late as possible, always time for one more pint, and the turnstiles seemed to cope. Aye you'd moan if you missed the kick off but I can't remember any fucker being killed.
 
THELORDROWELL said:
Back in the day we used to turn up as late as possible, always time for one more pint, and the turnstiles seemed to cope. Aye you'd moan if you missed the kick off but I can't remember any fucker being killed.
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I'm sure it would have stuck in my mind if any fucker died like !
 
T_Bone said:
Being from Hartlepool we had to experience trouble just getting home that others didn't.
Obviously the main source of trouble is/was Boro but over the years we've had loads of run ins on the old train south.
The one that sticks out for me was in the 70's or 80's when we played Man United at home and N****e were also at home to who the hell do I know.
We ended up with Sunderland, Newcastle and Man United on the train. There was a lot of tension in the carriages as some Man United were walking throught them asking folk who they supported.
As the train approached Hartleppol station we got up to get off as usual but the train was held up ata signal about 400 yds short of the station.
There was a roar from the the front of the train,( we were at the back) about 25 of us regular Sunderland ) and we could see hell on.
This hell kept coming nearer and nearer and ended up in our carriage( we were the last one)
It was Man United fighting Mags.
The Mags were from Hartlepool ( I knew some of em) and the reds were from anywhere but Hartlepool.
What to do ?
Help the Mags or just get off when the train hit the platform ?
We joined in and we were outnumbered I would think 4 to 1.
The train did pull in to Hartepool platform and a lot of the fighting carried on on the platform and outside the station and the Police didn't arrive for a good 5 minutes.
There was bedlum in the station between Hartlepool and United and it was only after the Police arrived and moved everyone on that we remembered we w ere Sunderland and they were Mags.
I could name names here but won't. The leader of the Mags who I will name so you know this is true, wasT Mc and he asked us to go for a drink with them outside the station.....we declined the offer and went for a drink together round the corner..
It was one of those times when you had to make a snap decision what to do.
You had to be there to see it really, over 150 lads fighting on a station platform and no one backing down.
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i was on that train with a few out of the hourglass (safc) one of the mags was a lad (canny bloke) who got killed in a push bike accident on dalton back lane about 2 year ago
 
You should feel proud of your club's non-existent hooligan reputation!

We on the otherhand, have to face another GMP backlash after some of our unwanted morons tried to flatten Bolton...:-?
 
There are the usual bellends who will defend "hooligans" and " Lads"
Both should simply be ignored, they live on fantasy island.
 
chinesedave said:
You should feel proud of your club's non-existent hooligan reputation!

We on the otherhand, have to face another GMP backlash after some of our unwanted morons tried to flatten Bolton...:-?
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What goes it with Stoke City and its fans? - Its been horrible to visit for years and years. The "gene" seems to have been passed from grandfather, father to son.
 
Fact Hunt said:
What goes it with Stoke City and its fans? - Its been horrible to visit for years and years. The "gene" seems to have been passed from grandfather, father to son.
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Disagree FH...The Britannia is as safe and as friendly as any new ground, there's never any grief these days.
 
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