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dirty bristow
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I avoided being carved up at Preston by simply legging it 
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rocky dennis
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The Mags were also handed baseball bats off the landlord prior to them leaving the pub. That info comes from a Mag I used to know who was there. The Wankers were f***ing completely tooled up.
woollyback
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I got the shite kicked out of me at (amongst others) Leeds, West Ham, Leicester, Man United, hope thats ok.
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Riviera
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I've never lived in the NE, as an adult, although I've travelled to support Sunderland since around 1970/1.
I never realised Sunderland had any kind of organised gangs for years although there was always the threat of trouble at away games and plenty of lads who'd stand up for themselves.
As exiles we knew little of the 'handy lads' who lived in the same area, of the NE, and would travel down together. During the 1970's there was always the possibility of trouble, some of it serious.
We just thought that everyone was like us, Sunderland daft, out for a drink and a sing-song but unwilling to have our day out spoiled by hooligans. We would 'defend' Sunderland whenever it became unavoidable.
The 1980's and 90's were different and, due to the media, we realised most clubs had organised firms ........ this proved to be more of a problem for us than the rabble we'd been used to encountering. Being left out of the police escorts or Sunderland gangs wasn't too funny.
As we were all mid-30's, fond of a drink and not too shy we would be noticed by the 'firms' especially in London where our accents were obvious. It was sometimes a case of lash out or run like fuck and was probably 3/4's the latter.
We've always been willing to help other Sunderland fans in trouble, and been present at many of the incidents described here, but know little of what some people talk about.
We were probably a bit naive and must have drank or mixed with some of the main Sunderland lads without having a clue who they were.
It's a very interesting thread, to be honest, and quite illuminating.
I never realised Sunderland had any kind of organised gangs for years although there was always the threat of trouble at away games and plenty of lads who'd stand up for themselves.
As exiles we knew little of the 'handy lads' who lived in the same area, of the NE, and would travel down together. During the 1970's there was always the possibility of trouble, some of it serious.
We just thought that everyone was like us, Sunderland daft, out for a drink and a sing-song but unwilling to have our day out spoiled by hooligans. We would 'defend' Sunderland whenever it became unavoidable.
The 1980's and 90's were different and, due to the media, we realised most clubs had organised firms ........ this proved to be more of a problem for us than the rabble we'd been used to encountering. Being left out of the police escorts or Sunderland gangs wasn't too funny.
As we were all mid-30's, fond of a drink and not too shy we would be noticed by the 'firms' especially in London where our accents were obvious. It was sometimes a case of lash out or run like fuck and was probably 3/4's the latter.
We've always been willing to help other Sunderland fans in trouble, and been present at many of the incidents described here, but know little of what some people talk about.
We were probably a bit naive and must have drank or mixed with some of the main Sunderland lads without having a clue who they were.
It's a very interesting thread, to be honest, and quite illuminating.
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rocky dennis
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What they did to DF was f***ing cowardly. The kernts were tooled up with bats and smashed him all over. They didn't even have the balls to go toe to toe. f***ing utter scum they are.
Mr.Thunders
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Written a book bragging about it though?
I avoided being carved up at Preston by simply legging it
Took a smack outside the Hawthorns once, big fat lass with a handbag wrapped it round my napper
Iceman
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Man Utd and West Ham are amongst the worst.
"Never been run, never been done".
Anybody who has travelled the length and breadth of the country year on year involved in the casual scene who says they havent come out second best on been on there toe's is either a liar or hasnt been anywhere.
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Deleted member 3085
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3 of my mates did time also for the Ferry incident and I would have been there myself and maybe looking at similar had I not been out for a meal with my missus of the time.....from some first hand accounts Sunderland did not stand a chance given the sequence of events.
Anyone on here on the two Shields branch coaches (also picked up from Roker Victory) to the Boro Away cup game (0-2 defeat?)? As our 2 coaches turned around the roundabout next to the ground about 50-100 boro piled over the roundabout to await the 2 coaches turn up. Soon as we stopped it was off the coach and straight into fisty cuffs outside the ground until Police showed and folk scarpered.
For anyone into Football Violence books a very early one by Jay Allen on Aberdeen (ASC) is a very good read, giving a good account of early days and general life in the 80s. Called "Bloody Casuals" and is based very much on fact according to mates up here who were around back in the day.
Anyone on here on the two Shields branch coaches (also picked up from Roker Victory) to the Boro Away cup game (0-2 defeat?)? As our 2 coaches turned around the roundabout next to the ground about 50-100 boro piled over the roundabout to await the 2 coaches turn up. Soon as we stopped it was off the coach and straight into fisty cuffs outside the ground until Police showed and folk scarpered.
For anyone into Football Violence books a very early one by Jay Allen on Aberdeen (ASC) is a very good read, giving a good account of early days and general life in the 80s. Called "Bloody Casuals" and is based very much on fact according to mates up here who were around back in the day.
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Super Chimp
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I remember both of the incidents. The first one, there was probably only 20-25 mags and there was hell on outside Windmills. The second one, I was in the Bell bar and there was probably 30 at the very most.
Iirc a few lads a few lads got CS sprayed after the second one (CB being one)
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Poledancer
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Given the fact that they landed on the shores of North Shields using the public ferry and had no escape route...
Napolean and Hitler would turn in their graves
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rocky dennis
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I don't doubt you marra. The Leeds stories were more or less spot on and it happened more than once as well down there. I f***ing loved Lids away in the 80s. Can you remember the Sunderland chasing them up the massive hill behind the Peacock followed by the polis chasing the Sunderland chasing the Leeds. One of the funniest things I've ever seen at a match.
Mainze
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The word 'mob' is used a lot, this is by far the biggest in the UK.
Buzzcock
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I didn't do very well against the Headhunters down Swiss cottage tube station like !
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rocky dennis
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I knew it was Port Vale as I mentioned earlier. I can't mates names but remember that
They turned up 5 minutes before our game finished but the soft kernts didn't reckon on some hard fuckers not attending the match. They got a proper lesson off the lads who didn't even go to the match.
Grimbosafc
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A couple of mates of mine at uni wrote a dissertation about football violence and as part of this they interviewed the head of the midlands football hooliganism unit (as they were both from Birmingham). One of the questions they asked was who he thought were the worst and his answer was Sunderland.
He went onto tell a story about a few villa fans who got lost after a game at the sol and after making a bit of noise walked straight into an area to be met by about 100 sunderland fans. Anyway end of the story was that one of the villa fans had a slab dropped on his head. The inspector bloke went onto say that sunderland always caused a fair bit of trouble because of the sheer numbers that travelled away including a large proportion that didn’t have tickets. Also said that on the whole it was rarely planned and less organised than other groups but much more trouble due to the numbers as rival vans would seek them out to have a go and end up with more than they could deal with.
Don’t like football violence but I remember feeling a strange sense of pride when he told me that and showed me the information he had.
He went onto tell a story about a few villa fans who got lost after a game at the sol and after making a bit of noise walked straight into an area to be met by about 100 sunderland fans. Anyway end of the story was that one of the villa fans had a slab dropped on his head. The inspector bloke went onto say that sunderland always caused a fair bit of trouble because of the sheer numbers that travelled away including a large proportion that didn’t have tickets. Also said that on the whole it was rarely planned and less organised than other groups but much more trouble due to the numbers as rival vans would seek them out to have a go and end up with more than they could deal with.
Don’t like football violence but I remember feeling a strange sense of pride when he told me that and showed me the information he had.
Iceman
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A couple of mates of mine at uni wrote a dissertation about football violence and as part of this they interviewed the head of the midlands football hooliganism unit (as they were both from Birmingham). One of the questions they asked was who he thought were the worst and his answer was Sunderland.
He went onto tell a story about a few villa fans who got lost after a game at the sol and after making a bit of noise walked straight into an area to be met by about 100 sunderland fans. Anyway end of the story was that one of the villa fans had a slab dropped on his head. The inspector bloke went onto say that sunderland always caused a fair bit of trouble because of the sheer numbers that travelled away including a large proportion that didn’t have tickets. Also said that on the whole it was rarely planned and less organised than other groups but much more trouble due to the numbers as rival vans would seek them out to have a go and end up with more than they could deal with.
Don’t like football violence but I remember feeling a strange sense of pride when he told me that and showed me the information he had.
Not trying to be funny mate but are you not getting your wires crossed??
There was a paving slab incident that involved Brum and Villa as well. Some lads got jail for that incident as one lad was killed.
Sneech
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I know a lass who was in the pub at the time and she told me pretty much the same. Bouncers, weapons etc, She's a Scottish lass and hard as fuck (Glasgow) but said she was absolutely sickened by what she saw. Said it was horrific they all came back in celebrating and their chair legs and bats had bits of flesh stuck to them.
I know some of the lads who went over and one or two of them might have been a little handy, but not in that sort of league, I'm with Bristow here, can't imagine how nasty it must have been.
On other incidents, a few people are getting mixed up - the Mags attacked Windmills after we had played Port Vale, it wasn't long after the final whistle as I had walked up Fulwell Road and it all kicked off in front of me. They bricked the windows and some of the cars (but strangely WV's brand new Jag got away untouched). There were one or two lads in the bar, but it was mainly Sat afternoon drinkers, playing cards etc. Mags got backed up toward the fire station by said drinkers, the firemen were hanging out of the windows cheering our lot on. Two coppers in the middle of it fuck all they could do. Eventually a huge mob of our lot came from round the Bell car park and the mags scattered to the station. They still maintained they had phoned to warn they were coming, but if that was the case I'm sure WV would have moved his Jag!
The other incident they attacked the Bell about 7-ish, I'd been home for me tea and just missed it. Carpet of glass and debris in the Bell car park. Once again it was mainly drinkers and not 'lads' one kid I know got lifted and he certainly wasn't a casual. I remember a minibus of 'lads' tipping about the same time I got there - too late. I'm guessing the black and white fighting was Tucker like.
When Boro 'took' Windmills as Oaty describes, they just arrived really early and went in unchallenged. I came up for a pint and to meet my mates and it was a no go zone with coppers ringed all round pushing us away. Didn't hang around but that Oaty says he got battered by twenty lads or summit and they still couldn't put him down, just needed multiple stitches in his face. Right result there then son....:roll:
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Riviera
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I don't doubt you marra. The Leeds stories were more or less spot on and it happened more than once as well down there. I f***ing loved Lids away in the 80s. Can you remember the Sunderland chasing them up the massive hill behind the Peacock followed by the polis chasing the Sunderland chasing the Leeds. One of the funniest things I've ever seen at a match.
Sadly I didn't but I'm sure Leeds deserved it
We had a lad, Pete, who used to have a weird thing about going into the 'opposition firm's' pub to see if we could get away with it. It sounds even more stupid now than it seemed then.
(We were trapped in that pub at the bottom of the hill, outside the away end, at Birmingham and that's when we decided that was it.)
We'd get in early and have a few drinks until things started to get edgy, then slink away.
We were in the Peacock on a day when there was loads of trouble and windows were put through by Sunderland. We went out of the back door and picked up crates of empties in case we'd been sussed and followed.
We were followed, but Leeds overtook us and vanished into what looked like a housing estate
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DufraisFTM
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I didn't do very well against the Headhunters down Swiss cottage tube station like !
Milk cup final 85? My dad was there that day, said it was one of the scariest things he's ever seen. His mate ended up on the line and one of the Chelsea lot told him to get back on the platform as they "didn't want any deaths"
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