wayne entwhistle no9
Winger
How good is Virdi? Only seen highlight clips of him playing for Surrey. I would think he is the next finger spinner in the queue!
Spinners simply not good enough!
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TheRey
Winger
He's genuinely really, really good but not ready yet. I'd say he was the most important member of our side when we won the title in 2018.
He'll get wickets by the bucketload, but his fielding is poor, he's as bad as Monty with the bat and he leaks runs. I've no doubt he will play - and star - for England, but he's got a lot to learn yet.
Sea to Shining Sea
Winger
Thats a bit ‘infinite amount of monkeys’ argument but you’re probably right. Giles was very much a defensive spin bowler and, usually, fairly good at that job. Giles also played in an era where batsman kicked the ball away without the worry of DRS having a say, which for a defensive left arm spinner limited his wickets (same would probably apply to Vettori to an extent).
Bess needs to improve vastly before he can be a reliable test bowler. He’ll probably take wickets here and there (as he did during this series’ five for) but, as Michael Atherton has argued, he is the third best spinner in the current team behind Leach and Root. And I don’t think many would consider Root as even a genuinely decent county level spinner.
TheRey
Winger
You could probably face Bess with a stump rather than a bat and be successful
Whilst Bess has bowled some filth at times, and he’s been fortunate let’s not forget he took
12 wickets @ 21 in SL
5 wickets @ 26 in India so far (whilst missing the tests where it went square)
he’s not the finished article. But he’s a good young cricketer who has his wickets at 32 so far (better than Panesar), bats well and fields well
he may fall away, but he’s 23 which is mega young for an off spinner.
12 wickets @ 21 in SL
5 wickets @ 26 in India so far (whilst missing the tests where it went square)
he’s not the finished article. But he’s a good young cricketer who has his wickets at 32 so far (better than Panesar), bats well and fields well
he may fall away, but he’s 23 which is mega young for an off spinner.
TheRey
Winger
The impression I get from Bess is that he's fine, but when there's expectation - bowling in the fourth innings or on a turner - he falls absolutely to bits.
Still time for him though as you say
Didn’t get the chance on a turner this time.
I’m not a massive fan personally, but he’s young and improving. And offers something in the field and with the bat. He’s behind Leach obviously, but he’s not club standard as others have said
32 with the ball so far
ahead of Panesar, Moeen, Giles, Rashid....similar to Nathan Lyon
rentaghost
Striker
He’s not as bad as we have seen in this match and not as good as his record suggests. He has though been badly managed. He’s been dropped and seen the selectors choose 4 seamers on a raging turner rather than play him. He has then seen the management team beg for Ali to change his arrangements rather than pkay him. His confidence is shot. With a more experienced player I would say get a grip but he’s still a young lad.
Partially agreed. The Ali thing is a little overdone in my opinion. But otherwise I agree
I know where you are coming from, but Leach in tandem with an Indian spinner is more than good enough for any batting line up.
TheRey
Winger
Oh I don't disagree with you. I do, however, think the fact that Bess is in the side shows how poor we are in that department.
I don't want to bang the Virdi drum too hard because I don't want it to come off as county bias (in truth, I'm probably far too hard on our academy lads - it took me years to warm to Burns, and I thought Pope was shit for a year or so), but I really hope he comes good - he'll offer us a genuine, attacking spinner.
For now, though, we have to accept where we are.
It's why I'm not being too critical of the side for this series. It was always gonna be a monumental challenge
Paddy O'Dors
Striker
Ffs! I've been to make a sausage sarnie and come back to this shite.
mackembhoy
Striker
Our spinners are to blame for not having had a 50 run partnership since the 5th wicket fell in the first innings of the first test.
How the fuck does that work?
It's lazy yet again.
We've won the toss in 8/9 tests in India and the spinners are being blamed for both series losses.
It's obvious our spinners aren't Jadeja and Ashwin who's are in world cricket.
Patel averaged 13 I believe in Durham so clearly showed talent before this.
Where's the thread about every batsman bar root being shit against spin.
How the fuck does that work?
It's lazy yet again.
We've won the toss in 8/9 tests in India and the spinners are being blamed for both series losses.
It's obvious our spinners aren't Jadeja and Ashwin who's are in world cricket.
Patel averaged 13 I believe in Durham so clearly showed talent before this.
Where's the thread about every batsman bar root being shit against spin.
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Bonzo
Winger
Watch out you don't choke on it like our openers have.
rentaghost
Striker
I don’t think people are blaming the spinners ahead of the batsmen tbf. The batting has been very poor on turning pitches and we have only had one frontline spinner doing a decent job. Both points are valid.
Salem Street South
Striker
Sausage sarnie sounds like a good idea.
mackembhoy
Striker
Bess is 23 yet had so much more bad press.
Like he was just expected because he's a spinner to come and tear it up in India. Cos he'd got a fifer in South Africa
That's unfair on him. Like it's alien for pope Sibley Crawley so their let off but as these tracks are tailor made for spinners it's them to blame.
Leach has bowled really well in this series but he's not superhuman.
We saw in the first test that Ashwin started bowling bad as Nadeem and Sundar bowled terribly at the other end.
You need a bowling partner in any country to create pressure. Leach has had Moeen and Bess who haven't.
Paddy O'Dors
Striker
It's been the highlight of my morning!
Positives: lie-in tomorrow. Think that could be it.
