Voice of fair play
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India after losing the first test have simply turned this series into a spinners competition and ours are simply not good enough.
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Spinners simply not good enough!
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Jack Torrance
Striker
Leach has been fine. In fact one of our best players this series
Leach and Bess not being as good as Ashwin et al is hardly a surprise given the conditions they play on regularly
Voice of fair play
Striker
He will be one of our best players as the conditions has totally suited spin bowlers as opposed to batsman and he is the best spin bowler we have in amongst a sub standard bunch imo
Bess is never a international bowler in a million miles imo, the 5 wickets he got when the Sri Lanka got themselves out gave a false impression, think the England set up aware of that too, just few other options sadly
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Jack Torrance
Striker
Spinners need runs to work with, Warne had an average record in India just because it’s turning pitches does not mean you are guaranteed to take wickets. He has done fine but apparently he’s shit because he’s not as good as Ashwin who has 400 wickets @ 25 and is arguably India’s greatest spinner
Voice of fair play
Striker
Its not all about Ashwin as Patel has come in with not many runs to play with too and clearly out bowled our spinners.
Jack Torrance
Striker
He will have first class experience in these conditions. Toby Roland-Jones made his England debut against South Africa a few years ago and took plenty of wickets it doesn’t mean he’s better than Rabada, Morkel, Philander etc or that they’re poor bowlers.
Voice of fair play
Striker
All things equal would any of our spinners make their side not a chance imo.
Bess would not make their fifth choice side that sounds harsh but it’s where we at with our depth of spinner bowlers imo
Bess would not make their fifth choice side that sounds harsh but it’s where we at with our depth of spinner bowlers imo
Jack Torrance
Striker
Ashwin and Jadeja are brilliant that’s why. Patel might not play another game when Jadeja is back. Would any of their quicks play ahead of Jimmy or Broad in England?
The Breen Machine
Striker
Bess has looked poor and got lucky in SL, but I wouldn't write him off just yet.
There is very little depth in the spin bowling cupboard but thankfully we'll only usually play 1 spinner and in Leach we have someone who's more than capable. The problem is when we need 2 spinners or even a back-up spinner, as Bess looks short of international class at the moment, Ali is shot and there's not a lot behind them two.
There is very little depth in the spin bowling cupboard but thankfully we'll only usually play 1 spinner and in Leach we have someone who's more than capable. The problem is when we need 2 spinners or even a back-up spinner, as Bess looks short of international class at the moment, Ali is shot and there's not a lot behind them two.
Shandy drinker
Striker
I preferred the stylistics
knockneed
Central Defender
Bess has never looked good enough, even though he's taken a few wickets here and there. He was initially selected because he was young and could be a decent No.8 bat and there''s not been anyone making a big case to replace him- in fact, it was difficult to with a truncated season anyway. Leach has been OK and looks a reasonable international spinner but not top-class. Add in questions about Archer, more often bowling deliveries that seem to float down rather than have the hostility he can produce, and there's a real headache.
rentaghost
Striker
He's been really poor - still young but needs to learn and improve quickly. The Rat would be quick to point out that in SA he has proven he can do it but i've been quite shocked at how poor he has been. Seems to be having a crisis of confidence.
I think you’re writing off Mo a bit early there. Yes he bowled some four balls in Chennai but if we’d had him today it would have represented a huge upgrade.
The big issue for him is that our next ‘two spinner’ game will likely be the Windies in March 2022.
wayne entwhistle no9
Winger
The good thing for Bess moving forward is he does actually spin the ball which has not always been the case for some slow bowlers selected for England.
Voice of fair play
Striker
I still can’t get away with the fact his own county let him go out on loan and hardly select him!
Surely that’s not a glowing recommendation to be selected for your country
TheRey
Striker
Thing is okay he can get a bit of spin, but he seldom lands it where he wants.
I think it's harsh and a little unfair to compare our spinners to theirs - they're world class, and bought up in those conditions.
Leach has done okay, I like him - has a pair of bollocks with the bat albeit limited quality, but more importantly he can offer a bit of control, and the odd ripper of a delivery that even if it doesn't take a wicket, will put doubts in a batsmans head.
Bess though... I'd love to face him. He can't put two balls in the same spot, and if you get at him he shits himself.
He's liked by the selectors and management because he's a nice lad, has a bit of bottle about him and can hold a bat, but he makes Giles look like prime Warne.
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Sea to Shining Sea
Striker
Bess bowled 11 full tosses in 15 overs today. I’ll get in to bother from a particular poster, but that is club standard spin bowling. A spinner bowling balls that are neither able to spin, bounce, slide on, or deviate off the surface is no use at all. He throws in plenty of long hops as well which just allows a constant release of pressure.
scaly_piscine
Goalkeeper
Moeen's basically at the end of his career and is in a 2-3 year slump, complicated by COVID tyranny. Bess is 23. Crane is 23. Parkinson is 24. Virdi is 22.
Just the way it goes. We've had two in-form spinners overlapping sporadically, at the moment we only have one. Just the way it goes. Don't know why people are getting so wound up about it considering most of you were predicting England to barely win a Test all tour, including Sri Lanka.
If you want more spinners from County Cricket, change it to 5 day matches and stop persecuting Somerset.
Just the way it goes. We've had two in-form spinners overlapping sporadically, at the moment we only have one. Just the way it goes. Don't know why people are getting so wound up about it considering most of you were predicting England to barely win a Test all tour, including Sri Lanka.
If you want more spinners from County Cricket, change it to 5 day matches and stop persecuting Somerset.
chopsfc007
Striker
His record is decent
If he plays enough he will get more wickets than Giles
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