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Some rubbish written about agents

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riffraff said:
I just wish you weren’t so dumb as to make no effort to hide your vested interest as this cat3 ID could’ve created a bit of offseason fun on here. Or are you a regular on an over egged pudding of a wind up?
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Cat 3 is years old. Bit of fact checking would of seen that. I don’t personally abuse people on here - I call it politeness or class. You call it dumb - heyho vive le difference

riffraff said:
They haven’t. Although it’s the only sensible thing this cat3 ID has said so far. We didn’t want to play Roswell as we couldn’t afford his wages last year anarl.
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Rodwell and catts are both available on a free. Pretty well every other squad member has a (modest) price on their head

riffraff said:
Have you heard owt back from my audition for the part with Sandra Bullock, Cameron Diaz and Natalie Portman yet?
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Sandra said your personal abuse is tedious and lacks class
 
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Cat 3 said:
I'm sorry i just dont buy into some of the vindictive rubbish written on here about agents (including our former CEO)

Agents are their to represent footballers - often young and invariably uneducated - in deals which are often multi million pound deals negotiated with multi millionaires/billionaires or by their million pound a year earning lackies.

Football is a multi billion pound business which unfortunately in recent years we have been shit at. You pay players a lot of money and sign long term contracts with them. If they turn out to be less good than expected you suck it up and pay their contract for the duration. If they turn out to be better than expected you sell them - like chattels or pieces of meat - for a fee.

Our problem is that we have not been very good at the business of football - significantly worse than we have been at the business of playing football (which we have been poor at).

Our new owners - who i have a lot of time for - are being slightly disingenuous when they hang Paddy McNair out to dry. Could we afford to keep his maybe - but the truth is it does not make business sense to have a £20k a week player in the third tier if we could sell him for £5m. The unpatetable truth is if N'dong, Khasri, Oviedo, McNair, catts etc said tomorrow we are all staying and committed to the fight we would be financially f**ked.

The personal abuse levelled at Catts and Rodwell or Bent or even at time Phillips or Hutchinson on here is pathetic. Football is a simple business you contract with a player - you are making a punt on his future performances and value. If someone else wants to pay more you match it or cash in. If no one wants to sign him and his form deteriorates you suck it up. Some clubs eg Benfica and Porto are brilliant at this - we are pathetic.

Under Poyet and at times Dick for me Catts was our best performer - hence why he got a good contract. He is entitled to see out that contract. Rodwell was on a good deal at City (he could of stayed but he wanted football) he is entitled to his contract. As for M Byrne she is entitled to earn a living and she sounds like she is better at representing players than a CEO - so what shes moved on so should we.

One final point. In a couple of years we will hopefully be a buyer of players again. These agents we are publicly abusing - the club will be schmoozing to get them to sell their players to us.
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Like the cable you're named after, you're slow and out of date.

The football agent situation has been out of control for years, and largely ignored.

Your argument that it's in their best interests to have their hand held by a parent figure with extensive knowledge is blown away by the sheer amounts of money involved

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Cat 3 said:
I'm sorry i just dont buy into some of the vindictive rubbish written on here about agents (including our former CEO)

Agents are their to represent footballers - often young and invariably uneducated - in deals which are often multi million pound deals negotiated with multi millionaires/billionaires or by their million pound a year earning lackies.

Football is a multi billion pound business which unfortunately in recent years we have been shit at. You pay players a lot of money and sign long term contracts with them. If they turn out to be less good than expected you suck it up and pay their contract for the duration. If they turn out to be better than expected you sell them - like chattels or pieces of meat - for a fee.

Our problem is that we have not been very good at the business of football - significantly worse than we have been at the business of playing football (which we have been poor at).

Our new owners - who i have a lot of time for - are being slightly disingenuous when they hang Paddy McNair out to dry. Could we afford to keep his maybe - but the truth is it does not make business sense to have a £20k a week player in the third tier if we could sell him for £5m. The unpatetable truth is if N'dong, Khasri, Oviedo, McNair, catts etc said tomorrow we are all staying and committed to the fight we would be financially f**ked.

The personal abuse levelled at Catts and Rodwell or Bent or even at time Phillips or Hutchinson on here is pathetic. Football is a simple business you contract with a player - you are making a punt on his future performances and value. If someone else wants to pay more you match it or cash in. If no one wants to sign him and his form deteriorates you suck it up. Some clubs eg Benfica and Porto are brilliant at this - we are pathetic.

Under Poyet and at times Dick for me Catts was our best performer - hence why he got a good contract. He is entitled to see out that contract. Rodwell was on a good deal at City (he could of stayed but he wanted football) he is entitled to his contract. As for M Byrne she is entitled to earn a living and she sounds like she is better at representing players than a CEO - so what shes moved on so should we.

One final point. In a couple of years we will hopefully be a buyer of players again. These agents we are publicly abusing - the club will be schmoozing to get them to sell their players to us.
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Been saying same on here since the day we got tipped out of the Prem mate.
To keep such a wage bill in a lower division is completely unsustainable for anyone who falls from the top flight.
Anyone at Safc on above 10k a week simply has to be moved on.
Sick of hearing things like. "oh .if we keep x we will piss League One"
Sorry guys, it doesn't work like that.
It took Leeds 2 seasons to get out. Southampton two (although they had a pts deduction on the first season in) and Sheffield U six years.
 
Cat 3 said:
One final point. In a couple of years we will hopefully be a buyer of players again. These agents we are publicly abusing - the club will be schmoozing to get them to sell their players to us.
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The notion they'd be precious and not negotiate a move for 'their' player because they feel hurt about something generic an owner said in the press a couple of years previously is ridiculous. And part of the reason why is that you don't buy players from agents. They're not theirs to sell, they're just contract negotiators on commission.
 
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KittenMittens said:
Again, this part I agree with, but it's irrelevant to the post you quoted. McNair's agent's handling of the situation has been to undermine his relationship to the club and fans, ie: playing a pretty nuclear option. You can't possibly think that's a good thing for any of the parties involved. Even if he gets the move, he's been badly advised.
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If Paddy had any sense he would just make a simple statement and smooth it all over

I have a question

WTF do the PFA do? Oh shit, Gordon Taylor, forget it
 
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Cat 3 said:
Cat 3 is years old. Bit of fact checking would of seen that. I don’t personally abuse people on here - I call it politeness or class. You call it dumb - heyho vive le difference



Rodwell and catts are both available on a free. Pretty well every other squad member has a (modest) price on their head



Sandra said your personal abuse is tedious and lacks class
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cat3 are you D.F. ?
 
Cat 3 said:
no one ive met people on both sides. football is all about money. clubs and there owners are the greediest and richest
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Fuck off!

Football is about having a club integrated into the city or town, giving the residents something to be proud of, giving that young lad the experience of Gordon Armstrong scoring a bullet header and knocking Chelsea out the cup, or that Michael Gray penalty miss! The highs the lows, the passion for the club that runs through the supporters veins.

Not the millionaires that earn a week what many supporters earn in a year, the ***** that drive cars worth more than people's houses, the social media show off of wealth.

The sooner the whole thing implodes the better and we get back to what football is really all about.
 
Cat 3 said:
That is not the case. We have said he can leave on a free
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Presumably because he asked to leave. Donald has said he can stay. You twist to justify your argument. I am no fan of the lad and can’t see why you defend his position. We would all like to have our cake and eat it.
 
I have some strong opinions about this topic but I'd probably get shipped off to a Siberian gulag if I aired them, seeing as this board has turned into another club mouthpiece and you're not allowed to criticise anything at all related to the club anymore. Absolute farce.
 
Cat 3 said:
I'm sorry i just dont buy into some of the vindictive rubbish written on here about agents (including our former CEO)

Agents are their to represent footballers - often young and invariably uneducated - in deals which are often multi million pound deals negotiated with multi millionaires/billionaires or by their million pound a year earning lackies.

Football is a multi billion pound business which unfortunately in recent years we have been shit at. You pay players a lot of money and sign long term contracts with them. If they turn out to be less good than expected you suck it up and pay their contract for the duration. If they turn out to be better than expected you sell them - like chattels or pieces of meat - for a fee.

Our problem is that we have not been very good at the business of football - significantly worse than we have been at the business of playing football (which we have been poor at).

Our new owners - who i have a lot of time for - are being slightly disingenuous when they hang Paddy McNair out to dry. Could we afford to keep his maybe - but the truth is it does not make business sense to have a £20k a week player in the third tier if we could sell him for £5m. The unpatetable truth is if N'dong, Khasri, Oviedo, McNair, catts etc said tomorrow we are all staying and committed to the fight we would be financially f**ked.

The personal abuse levelled at Catts and Rodwell or Bent or even at time Phillips or Hutchinson on here is pathetic. Football is a simple business you contract with a player - you are making a punt on his future performances and value. If someone else wants to pay more you match it or cash in. If no one wants to sign him and his form deteriorates you suck it up. Some clubs eg Benfica and Porto are brilliant at this - we are pathetic.

Under Poyet and at times Dick for me Catts was our best performer - hence why he got a good contract. He is entitled to see out that contract. Rodwell was on a good deal at City (he could of stayed but he wanted football) he is entitled to his contract. As for M Byrne she is entitled to earn a living and she sounds like she is better at representing players than a CEO - so what shes moved on so should we.

One final point. In a couple of years we will hopefully be a buyer of players again. These agents we are publicly abusing - the club will be schmoozing to get them to sell their players to us.
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Alreet Mags?

now fuck off.
 
Cat 3 said:
I'm sorry i just dont buy into some of the vindictive rubbish written on here about agents (including our former CEO)

Agents are their to represent footballers - often young and invariably uneducated - in deals which are often multi million pound deals negotiated with multi millionaires/billionaires or by their million pound a year earning lackies.

Football is a multi billion pound business which unfortunately in recent years we have been shit at. You pay players a lot of money and sign long term contracts with them. If they turn out to be less good than expected you suck it up and pay their contract for the duration. If they turn out to be better than expected you sell them - like chattels or pieces of meat - for a fee.

Our problem is that we have not been very good at the business of football - significantly worse than we have been at the business of playing football (which we have been poor at).

Our new owners - who i have a lot of time for - are being slightly disingenuous when they hang Paddy McNair out to dry. Could we afford to keep his maybe - but the truth is it does not make business sense to have a £20k a week player in the third tier if we could sell him for £5m. The unpatetable truth is if N'dong, Khasri, Oviedo, McNair, catts etc said tomorrow we are all staying and committed to the fight we would be financially f**ked.

The personal abuse levelled at Catts and Rodwell or Bent or even at time Phillips or Hutchinson on here is pathetic. Football is a simple business you contract with a player - you are making a punt on his future performances and value. If someone else wants to pay more you match it or cash in. If no one wants to sign him and his form deteriorates you suck it up. Some clubs eg Benfica and Porto are brilliant at this - we are pathetic.

Under Poyet and at times Dick for me Catts was our best performer - hence why he got a good contract. He is entitled to see out that contract. Rodwell was on a good deal at City (he could of stayed but he wanted football) he is entitled to his contract. As for M Byrne she is entitled to earn a living and she sounds like she is better at representing players than a CEO - so what shes moved on so should we.

One final point. In a couple of years we will hopefully be a buyer of players again. These agents we are publicly abusing - the club will be schmoozing to get them to sell their players to us.
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Players sign contracts but seem to only believe in the entitlements and not the responsibilities of what is written.

Rodwell has a contract to play football but has decided he won't do that but still picks up his wage. If what's said is true, Catts doesn't want to stay, but wants his full amount paid up. It seems one side is forced to honour agreements while the other picks and chooses.
 
Unfortunately once mega money came into the game then leeches always appear to get their snouts into the trough.
I mean the only agent Charlie Hurley, George Herd and company had heard of was probably James Bond.
It's a free market out there, actors and popular entertainers have agents who negotiate the best deals for them, footballers are no different, even though loads of them are no more than journeymen.
Unfortunately one thing we have as fans is now almost totally extinct in footballers and that's loyalty, and it all changed at the start of the Sky age and the all consuming Premiership.
Most agents are driven by their own need to make money which invariably means their player agitating for a move or an improved contract.
It's virtually fucked the game.
 
Cat 3 said:
you mean like 99% of other businesses and professions. you mean like our new owner (an insurance agent) or our previous owner a hedge fund owner or our previous owner who flogged kitchens our our previous owner who build a billion pound business selling cars
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Aye but those other businesses and professions tend to be sustainable and self supporting. Football generally isn't and needs to change. Agents are part of the problem. Perhaps I will get an agent to act for me next time I change jobs.
 
Cat 3 said:
You mean like our insurance agent owner, our or previous hedge fund owning owner or our kitchen flogging owner or our car salesman owner
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I’m guessing those people had a vision and created things people wanted - took some major risks, created employment and worked hard to build successful businesses over many years.

Agents make a few phone calls and send a couple of emails. They care nothing for the good of the game and are simply vultures who selfishly pursue financial gain for themselves and their client at the direct expense of everyone else with an interest in the game.

People have a right to earn money - true - however if they do it in a way that causes damage people will rightly criticise.

I suppose you are equally supportive of pimps, people traffickers and Ivory hunters? They too are trying to make a living by your logic?
 
Cat 3 said:
I'm sorry i just dont buy into some of the vindictive rubbish written on here about agents (including our former CEO)

Agents are their to represent footballers - often young and invariably uneducated - in deals which are often multi million pound deals negotiated with multi millionaires/billionaires or by their million pound a year earning lackies.

Football is a multi billion pound business which unfortunately in recent years we have been shit at. You pay players a lot of money and sign long term contracts with them. If they turn out to be less good than expected you suck it up and pay their contract for the duration. If they turn out to be better than expected you sell them - like chattels or pieces of meat - for a fee.

Our problem is that we have not been very good at the business of football - significantly worse than we have been at the business of playing football (which we have been poor at).

Our new owners - who i have a lot of time for - are being slightly disingenuous when they hang Paddy McNair out to dry. Could we afford to keep his maybe - but the truth is it does not make business sense to have a £20k a week player in the third tier if we could sell him for £5m. The unpatetable truth is if N'dong, Khasri, Oviedo, McNair, catts etc said tomorrow we are all staying and committed to the fight we would be financially f**ked.

The personal abuse levelled at Catts and Rodwell or Bent or even at time Phillips or Hutchinson on here is pathetic. Football is a simple business you contract with a player - you are making a punt on his future performances and value. If someone else wants to pay more you match it or cash in. If no one wants to sign him and his form deteriorates you suck it up. Some clubs eg Benfica and Porto are brilliant at this - we are pathetic.

Under Poyet and at times Dick for me Catts was our best performer - hence why he got a good contract. He is entitled to see out that contract. Rodwell was on a good deal at City (he could of stayed but he wanted football) he is entitled to his contract. As for M Byrne she is entitled to earn a living and she sounds like she is better at representing players than a CEO - so what shes moved on so should we.

One final point. In a couple of years we will hopefully be a buyer of players again. These agents we are publicly abusing - the club will be schmoozing to get them to sell their players to us.
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Can we get back to actual football and not contracts and legalities. When he was offered that contract he was playing well and at the time the club and player were both happy.

Since then the club have kept to their side of the deal but he hasn't, his fitness and performances have detiorated so far that he was dominated by most players he came up against in the championship. Unless he siginificantly improves his fitness and maybe how he looks after himself between games the expectation is the same would happen in league one.

In short, performance wise he no longer deserves what he is getting paid, the club has kept to their side of the deal but the player hasn't. If he was pulling up trees then the club would possibly be talking about an even better contract as the chances are we wouldn't even be in league one.
 
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