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Some rubbish written about agents

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I can't get my head around players who want to leave a club but still expect to have their contract paid up.
Even though the clubs don't want them to leave.
 

Hank Scorpio said:
The McNair situation, is the reason why everyone hates agents.

If McNair released a small statement thanking the fans for their support, but saying he wanted to leave and has submitted a transfer request; everyone would be fine!!! Instead, however, we have an agent telling the club he will never play for Sunderland again and engineering a move away.
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McNair has a contract the club and fans saying he should honour.

Catts and Rodwell have a contract the club are saying they should rip up.

Ndong and Khazri have a contract the club don’t want to honour. But we want someone to pay us for employees we want to leave

Clubs have no moral superiority over players
 
Cat 3 said:
I'm sorry i just dont buy into some of the vindictive rubbish written on here about agents (including our former CEO)

Agents are their to represent footballers - often young and invariably uneducated - in deals which are often multi million pound deals negotiated with multi millionaires/billionaires or by their million pound a year earning lackies.

Football is a multi billion pound business which unfortunately in recent years we have been shit at. You pay players a lot of money and sign long term contracts with them. If they turn out to be less good than expected you suck it up and pay their contract for the duration. If they turn out to be better than expected you sell them - like chattels or pieces of meat - for a fee.

Our problem is that we have not been very good at the business of football - significantly worse than we have been at the business of playing football (which we have been poor at).

Our new owners - who i have a lot of time for - are being slightly disingenuous when they hang Paddy McNair out to dry. Could we afford to keep his maybe - but the truth is it does not make business sense to have a £20k a week player in the third tier if we could sell him for £5m. The unpatetable truth is if N'dong, Khasri, Oviedo, McNair, catts etc said tomorrow we are all staying and committed to the fight we would be financially f**ked.

The personal abuse levelled at Catts and Rodwell or Bent or even at time Phillips or Hutchinson on here is pathetic. Football is a simple business you contract with a player - you are making a punt on his future performances and value. If someone else wants to pay more you match it or cash in. If no one wants to sign him and his form deteriorates you suck it up. Some clubs eg Benfica and Porto are brilliant at this - we are pathetic.

Under Poyet and at times Dick for me Catts was our best performer - hence why he got a good contract. He is entitled to see out that contract. Rodwell was on a good deal at City (he could of stayed but he wanted football) he is entitled to his contract. As for M Byrne she is entitled to earn a living and she sounds like she is better at representing players than a CEO - so what shes moved on so should we.

One final point. In a couple of years we will hopefully be a buyer of players again. These agents we are publicly abusing - the club will be schmoozing to get them to sell their players to us.
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There.
 
DJM said:
The majority of people on this board (ie 100% of the sane ones) are equally sorry that there are people like you who don't buy into the clear and obvious fact that agents take much more out of the game than they could ever claim to put in.


You could make all sorts of unreasonable and unjustifiable claims to try to justify agents and their greed. Thankfully it doesn't wash on here.
You rightly go on to say money is the problem in the modern game and here I agree with you. Without the money incentive, the greedy self centred agents would be nowehere near football in any capacity.
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I don’t say agents have any virtue. The fact is the clubs have no moral superiority and agents are not leaving anytime soon. We have just not been good at doing deals

chunksafc said:
And all that contract is going to be fairly standard I assume?

No sky diving naked etc?

I really can't see why agents are needed or in this opening post defended
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So when you sell a house why use an agent? When you buy insurance why use a broker?
 
Cat 3 said:
So when you sell your house do you only have a lawyer or do you use an agent to help you get the best deal ?
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Nope. All the EA does is take some photo's & put it on right move, then tell you when someone's interested. They don't actively seek out buyers or try to get you a better price.
 
Cat 3 said:
McNair has a contract the club and fans saying he should honour.

Catts and Rodwell have a contract the club are saying they should rip up.

Ndong and Khazri have a contract the club don’t want to honour. But we want someone to pay us for employees we want to leave

Clubs have no moral superiority over players
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Again, this part I agree with, but it's irrelevant to the post you quoted. McNair's agent's handling of the situation has been to undermine his relationship to the club and fans, ie: playing a pretty nuclear option. You can't possibly think that's a good thing for any of the parties involved. Even if he gets the move, he's been badly advised.
 
Cat 3 said:
So when you sell your house do you only have a lawyer or do you use an agent to help you get the best deal ?
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And when you get that house, do you then use the same agent to tell the bank you don’t want it any more after a few years and refuse to pay until they agree to let you go elsewhere? Or would the bank tell your agent to fuck off and only allow you to move on their terms

If they want to leave then hand in a transfer request and ask to go. Or will they not do that as their fabulous agent loses money?
 
Cat 3 said:
I don’t say agents have any virtue. The fact is the clubs have no moral superiority and agents are not leaving anytime soon. We have just not been good at doing deals



So when you sell a house why use an agent? When you buy insurance why use a broker?
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The agent doesn’t hang around like a bad smell for the next 10 years while I own the house though!
 
Cat 3 said:
McNair has a contract the club and fans saying he should honour.

Catts and Rodwell have a contract the club are saying they should rip up.

Ndong and Khazri have a contract the club don’t want to honour. But we want someone to pay us for employees we want to leave

Clubs have no moral superiority over players
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Mcnairs agent has said his client will not play for us again - club have said they want him to stay

Roswell has done the absolute bare minimum to collect his wages, random injuries etc have stopped him being selected for the team for which he is contracted to play for

Cattermole's agent has said he wants to leave but will not leave a penny of his contract behind - club haven't said he has to go, it's his choice to break his contact so break it and leave w ithoit a penny or stay and play

Ndong and khazri don't want to be here and want to leave? Club haven't said they have to leave or want them to.

All the above players need to do is put in a transfer request, but they won't as they lose their so called loyalty bonus
 
Cat 3 said:
I don’t say agents have any virtue. The fact is the clubs have no moral superiority and agents are not leaving anytime soon. We have just not been good at doing deals



So when you sell a house why use an agent? When you buy insurance why use a broker?
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Completely different situations.
 
KittenMittens said:
Again, this part I agree with, but it's irrelevant to the post you quoted. McNair's agent's handling of the situation has been to undermine his relationship to the club and fans, ie: playing a pretty nuclear option. You can't possibly think that's a good thing for any of the parties involved. Even if he gets the move, he's been badly advised.
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Of course not - the McNair agent has been a moron. My point is twofold

1. Clubs have no moral superiority

2. We have just been crap at buying and selling players. Nowt to do with agents
 
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