Socio-economic size relative to football league status

Ericsgate

Full Back
The below list is the top 12 urban conurbations in England.

If you look at the Premier League table and the top 6 of the Championship they are pretty much all there. Obviously, bigger cities are represented more than once.



I do not think this is any coincidence. In an unregulated capitalist model this is how the money flows.

Relative success of football teams now mirror the socio-economic strength of the urban area they reside in.

This was the inevitable conclusion to the Sky greed fest that started in 1993.
Major Urban Areas
NameAdm.Population
Estimate (E)
2018-06-30
1LondonENG10,620,723
2ManchesterENG2,681,285
3BirminghamENG2,570,990
4LeedsENG1,856,709
5SouthamptonENG900,000
6LiverpoolENG898,070
7NewcastleENG800,665
8NottinghamENG773,371
9SheffieldENG719,273
10BristolENG668,393
11LeicesterENG543,588
12Brighton and HoveENG500,663
 

Ericsgate

Full Back
It is urban areas, not city limits. For Newcastle the wider conurbation includes Gateshead, Cramlington, Wallsend etc
 

PompeyFan657

Reserve Squad
Including Portsmouth in the Southampton conurbation is a totally pisstake. It's like saying Sunderland is a suburb of Newcastle so you should count as the Newcastle urban area.

This measure is bollocks because it includes populations who would never support the PL team nearby
 
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Ericsgate

Full Back
Including Portsmouth in the Southampton conurbation is a totally pisstake. It's like saying Sunderland is a suburb of Newcastle so you should count as the Newcastle urban area.

This measure is bollocks because it includes populations who would never support the PL team nearby
Partially agree, but it does not include Sunderland in the Newcastle urban area.

It would be true to acknowledge Newcastle support is comes from a much wider distribution than the narrow city limits.

To use the population of the urban area is therefore more accurate as it would include Gateshead all of Tyneside.

At that point you would say that there is people on Tyneside supporting Sunderland. Of course, especially in Jarrow and South Shields.

But then again the 800,000 urban area does not include all those communities in Northumberland reaching out to Hexham, Morpeth all the way up to Berwick.

In the end 50,000 gates are not so remarkable given the wide population it draws from.

Perhaps 25,000 at Burnley is more remarkable given it is in the Greater Manchester area.
 

PompeyFan657

Reserve Squad
Partially agree, but it does not include Sunderland in the Newcastle urban area.

It would be true to acknowledge Newcastle support is comes from a much wider distribution than the narrow city limits.

To use the population of the urban area is therefore more accurate as it would include Gateshead all of Tyneside.

At that point you would say that there is people on Tyneside supporting Sunderland. Of course, especially in Jarrow and South Shields.

But then again the 800,000 urban area does not include all those communities in Northumberland reaching out to Hexham, Morpeth all the way up to Berwick.

In the end 50,000 gates are not so remarkable given the wide population it draws from.

Perhaps 25,000 at Burnley is more remarkable given it is in the Greater Manchester area.
I'm aware Newcastle support can come from as far away as Durham and beyond there, but in the south, where there is a higher density of teams, you have areas where they just can't draw fans from. Southampton doesn't have much of a following east of Whiteley for instance, and Bristol City is limited to about two thirds of Bristol (mostly the inner areas and the south-western areas of the city, Bristol Rovers dominates in the eastern and northern areas of Bristol)
Partially agree, but it does not include Sunderland in the Newcastle urban area.

It would be true to acknowledge Newcastle support is comes from a much wider distribution than the narrow city limits.

To use the population of the urban area is therefore more accurate as it would include Gateshead all of Tyneside.

At that point you would say that there is people on Tyneside supporting Sunderland. Of course, especially in Jarrow and South Shields.

But then again the 800,000 urban area does not include all those communities in Northumberland reaching out to Hexham, Morpeth all the way up to Berwick.

In the end 50,000 gates are not so remarkable given the wide population it draws from.

Perhaps 25,000 at Burnley is more remarkable given it is in the Greater Manchester area.

Southampton's urban area is about 300,000 and Portsmouth's is about 400,000, plus there's another 100,000 of various bits inbetween and around. It's a bit naughty referring to it as the 'Southampton Conurbation', it would be like calling Newcastle the 'Gateshead City region' (although you lot would love that!)
 
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Ericsgate

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I'm aware Newcastle support can come from as far away as Durham and beyond there, but in the south, where there is a higher density of teams, you have areas where they just can't draw fans from. Southampton doesn't have much of a following east of Whiteley for instance, and Bristol City is limited to about two thirds of Bristol (mostly the inner areas and the south-western areas of the city, Bristol Rovers dominates in the eastern and northern areas of Bristol)



Southampton's urban area is about 300,000 and Portsmouth's is about 400,000, plus there's another 100,000 of various bits inbetween and around. It's a bit naughty referring to it as the 'Southampton Conurbation', it would be like calling Newcastle the 'Gateshead City region' (although you lot would love that!)
OK, in any data set there are flaws.

I guess the author labelled the urban area under the largest city that resides in the conurbation.

Which seems fair enough. To stand on the North side of the Tyne bridge and look South over the vast area of land we call Gateshead which is barely 100m away and not include it in the metropolis would be a nonsense.

Southampton as you point out is a flaw in the data. However, the Hampshire metropolitan area is the fastest growing in the U.K., I believe. Probably no surprise given proximity to London.

Bristol City is still potentially a large club given the population it could pull from. They could well become a Premier League team in the next 5 years.
 

West_Winger

Winger
Including Portsmouth in the Southampton conurbation is a totally pisstake. It's like saying Sunderland is a suburb of Newcastle so you should count as the Newcastle urban area.

This measure is bollocks because it includes populations who would never support the PL team nearby
It’s a ludicrous definition. The “urban area” includes Newcastle, Gateshead, north Tyneside and south Tyneside. Last time I checked, South Shields wasn’t part of Newcastle.
 

safccfas

Midfield
The below list is the top 12 urban conurbations in England.

If you look at the Premier League table and the top 6 of the Championship they are pretty much all there. Obviously, bigger cities are represented more than once.



I do not think this is any coincidence. In an unregulated capitalist model this is how the money flows.

Relative success of football teams now mirror the socio-economic strength of the urban area they reside in.

This was the inevitable conclusion to the Sky greed fest that started in 1993.
Major Urban Areas
NameAdm.Population
Estimate (E)
2018-06-30
1LondonENG10,620,723
2ManchesterENG2,681,285
3BirminghamENG2,570,990
4LeedsENG1,856,709
5SouthamptonENG900,000
6LiverpoolENG898,070
7NewcastleENG800,665
8NottinghamENG773,371
9SheffieldENG719,273
10BristolENG668,393
11LeicesterENG543,588
12Brighton and HoveENG500,663

Nottingham is one of the poorest cities in the uk. It’s an absolute shit hole.
 

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