Significant investment by FPP has been made

[Guinness Guzzler]

thats not the investment its something else @Grumpy Old Man was sdaying..i dont understand it really..

i dont think ou are far out with this..

I hope that's how it's being worked tbh. I was desperate for FPP to get on board (as we all were) but I mentioned before that the value of the club probably hasn't massively increased since Donald and Methven came in. That seemed a shame, we couldn't really expect them to sell up for minimal/ no profit having seemingly done a good job on the commercial/ financial side and having worked their balls off without taking a wage! This way would address that, it gives them a chance to really succeed through the extra investment and gives them a well deserved chance to make very good money out of it. Donald talked about being here about 5 years, it could even tie in with that. It would probably suit all parties tbh, I'm sure FPP would happily pay more for SAFC in a higher league, with better infrastructure, effectively they're paying more for a vastly reduced risk. Just hope everyone gets behind it now and gives them a chance, the future looks positive again

 

[Deleted member 7101]

This. Looks like they've given themselves a chance to do well and make a massive profit and I hope they manage it.

Since we don't know the details of the investment it might even be that they've given £10m and that it will be repaid in shares after a set amount of time. Let's say it's 3 years, the incentive could be that if they can't get us out of league one, that 10m might equal about 70% of the club's value (given Donald paid £15m for his shares). If they get us into the Championship it might only equal 50%, or maybe less, if somehow they can get us into the prem (unlikely I know) it may only be 10%. So the better they do the more FPP have to pay on order to own the whole thing. That reduces the risk for FPP and it also gives Donald and Methven the opportunity to make a really good profit for the hard work they've put in.

Like I say we have no way of knowing, that could be miles out, but it would make sense (in my mind at least!)

The thing is as well is that if and when we do hit the big time,the investment we've secured will help to ensure we're well prepared for it with the resources already in place.

 

[fyl2u]

So we now have more money to spend on allowing the same people to keep making the same mistakes?

I don't see how that's going to help. Coton, Hill and Co should have been looking for new jobs as a result of this investment, not sticking around to squander it.

What have they done to deserve more faith in them, apart from being mates with SD?

According to the interview with CM, a lot more than they are given credit for.

Months of speculation and disruption for things to basically stay the same. Waste of time.

You know what? I'm done with trying to change your mind. You've been a right misery guts for weeks without ever saying anything constructive. You're going on my ignore list.

Stay miserable. o/

 

[Mally Mackem]

So we now have more money to spend on allowing the same people to keep making the same mistakes?

I don't see how that's going to help. Coton, Hill and Co should have been looking for new jobs as a result of this investment, not sticking around to squander it.

What have they done to deserve more faith in them, apart from being mates with SD?

Months of speculation and disruption for things to basically stay the same. Waste of time.

its a big chance for SD to make a real name for himself.. just having these people involved with our club is massive.. he needs to take it by the scruff of the neck and take his chance.. he can be a legend.. or a legendary villain.. its in his court..

 

[Nelson!]

I hope that's how it's being worked tbh. I was desperate for FPP to get on board (as we all were) but I mentioned before that the value of the club probably hasn't massively increased since Donald and Methven came in. That seemed a shame, we couldn't really expect them to sell up for minimal/ no profit having seemingly done a good job on the commercial/ financial side and having worked their balls off without taking a wage! This way would address that, it gives them a chance to really succeed through the extra investment and gives them a well deserved chance to make very good money out of it. Donald talked about being here about 5 years, it could even tie in with that. It would probably suit all parties tbh, I'm sure FPP would happily pay more for SAFC in a higher league, with better infrastructure, effectively they're paying more for a vastly reduced risk. Just hope everyone gets behind it now and gives them a chance, the future looks positive again

That's a very optimistic view on the whole thing. Fair play. I hope you end up being proven correct.

 

[kildaremackem]

Yep.

Top n bottom is he doesn't want to let go.

That's not me being critical of him by the way - just how I see it.

glad its confirmed he isnt here just to make a quick buck by flipping the club..

 

[Guinness Guzzler]

The thing is as well is that if and when we do hit the big time,the investment we've secured will help to ensure we're well prepared for it with the resources already in place.

Exactly. Getting a really good recruitment network set up, and doing a similar job with the academy and bringing better youngsters through as a result, both of those could take about 5 years plus to fully bear fruit. By no coincidence at all that might tie in with when the investors expect us to be challenging for a place in the top flight. Get up there with good recruitment and a good, functioning academy and suddenly staying there and being profitable is a hell of a lot easier, it had to be done early in order to really benefit them, hence the injection now.

Like many I have concerns over Hill and Coton but unlike many I trust Methven and if he's saying we need to judge when they aren't running about trying to do the whole thing themselves then I'm prepared to drop it for now and see how it goes. We know they're aware of the criticism, they seem to share frustrations, the investors won't accept their money being spent badly, so I'm sure either they'll start producing now or they'll be out. At this point we all just need to get behind the club and the owners and concentrate on our bit, which is supporting the lads on the pitch. If we can get up this season it could make our road back that bit shorter

 

[Nelson!]

its a big chance for SD to make a real name for himself.. just having these people involved with our club is massive.. he needs to take it by the scruff of the neck and take his chance.. he can be a legend.. or a legendary villain.. its in his court..

I was very supportive throughout last season, defended them against a lot of people who wouldn't give them any benefit of the doubt and was eager to see them correct the errors for the coming season.

Since we lost the play off final few decision making has left me feeling like I got it totally wrong. Poor recruitment again, more austerity management, jobs for their mates who have done nothing to justify it, a lack of real ambition or a clear plan. Then they completely lost me with the appointment of Parky.

I hope SD proves me wrong but I'm very, very doubtful.

 

[Mally Mackem]

I was very supportive throughout last season, defended them against a lot of people who wouldn't give them any benefit of the doubt and was eager to see them correct the errors for the coming season.

Since we lost the play off final few decision making has left me feeling like I got it totally wrong. Poor recruitment again, more austerity management, jobs for their mates who have done nothing to justify it, a lack of real ambition or a clear plan. Then they completely lost me with the appointment of Parky.

I hope SD proves me wrong but I'm very, very doubtful.

im exactly the same marra.. but these new lads wont fck about.. they are the real McCoy.. they make ellis short look like a market trader.. hes done brilliant to get them involved and well done to him.. but he now needs to move himself on now if he wants to be a part of the future..

 

[stevo]

Exactly. Getting a really good recruitment network set up, and doing a similar job with the academy and bringing better youngsters through as a result, both of those could take about 5 years plus to fully bear fruit. By no coincidence at all that might tie in with when the investors expect us to be challenging for a place in the top flight. Get up there with good recruitment and a good, functioning academy and suddenly staying there and being profitable is a hell of a lot easier, it had to be done early in order to really benefit them, hence the injection now.

Like many I have concerns over Hill and Coton but unlike many I trust Methven and if he's saying we need to judge when they aren't running about trying to do the whole thing themselves then I'm prepared to drop it for now and see how it goes. We know they're aware of the criticism, they seem to share frustrations, the investors won't accept their money being spent badly, so I'm sure either they'll start producing now or they'll be out. At this point we all just need to get behind the club and the owners and concentrate on our bit, which is supporting the lads on the pitch. If we can get up this season it could make our road back that bit shorter

Exactly mate ,its in nobodies interest for this to fail.If the yanks first amount of money is wasted we are in trouble.Obviously huge pressure on all concerned,however im excited at the thought of loads of scouts getting stuck in.Ive said numerous times on here that certain players wernt watched in the flesh but bought on the strength of long past glories.Nowwe know why there wasnt staff to track these players before signing .That type of fingers crossed signing has to stop or the yanks will think we are taking the piss

 

[Northumberland Rocks]

According to the interview with CM, a lot more than they are given credit for.



You know what? I'm done with trying to change your mind. You've been a right misery guts for weeks without ever saying anything constructive. You're going on my ignore list.

Stay miserable. o/

Some of the 'negatives' on here are either mags or wums. If they are genuine SAFC supporters then with all due respect they are just stupid.

We have a significant commitment from 3 billionaires who are best mates with a man who is valued at £37billion and who has a reputation for philanthropy.

Honestly some on here would complain if they won a £100m on the lottery.

Social media has a lot to do with it as it gives the village idiot the same platform as the wisest amongst us.

This is great news and in my humble opinion is welcomed by the vast vast majority of SAFC fans.

HTLs

 

[Nelson!]

im exactly the same marra.. but these new lads wont fck about.. they are the real McCoy.. they make ellis short look like a market trader.. hes done brilliant to get them involved and well done to him.. but he now needs to move himself on now if he wants to be a part of the future..

Suppose there is nothing to do but wait and hope. My interest has dropped right off recently to be honest. Watch the games of course but have very little enthusiasm about the club.

Can't see that changing until the set up does.

 

[L1lyBrown]

Significant investment? It's pocket money to these guys.
They have gone from a takeover to putting some spare change into the club because they have doubts about the current set up and want to see some significant improvement before committing themselves to a purchase of shares which would give them overall control. They do see the massive potential of the club.
Donald has to get us promoted if he wants his pot of gold.
That has been the reason for the protracted delay imo
The next few months will be very interesting

 

[seanwharton]

And we might be the most professional club in league 1 history, you have no idea if we are or not

He knows they didn’t give ES 40m though

 

[Billy Bob]

Aye, I’m sure a bunch of billionaires are unsavvy and naive enough to be fooled into investing in those thread when they thought they were investing in SAFC.

They’re probably always getting the wool pulled over their eyes, it’s a wonder Michael Dell lets them manage all his investments.

I am guessing you are not the brightest and actually read that from the polar viewpoint that it was intended.

 

[Roker Mackem]

Significant investment? It's pocket money to these guys.
They have gone from a takeover to putting some spare change into the club because they have doubts about the current set up and want to see some significant improvement before committing themselves to a purchase of shares which would give them overall control. They do see the massive potential of the club.
Donald has to get us promoted if he wants his pot of gold.
That has been the reason for the protracted delay imo
The next few months will be very interesting

Imagine if we get to the play off final again man. The pressure.

 

[Secret Visage]

Significant investment? It's pocket money to these guys.
They have gone from a takeover to putting some spare change into the club because they have doubts about the current set up and want to see some significant improvement before committing themselves to a purchase of shares which would give them overall control. They do see the massive potential of the club.
Donald has to get us promoted if he wants his pot of gold.
That has been the reason for the protracted delay imo
The next few months will be very interesting

When our turnover is circa £20 million and we're being given an additional £10 million that is what's known as a significant investment.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

The fan experience seems to have been brought up in a few articles. Be interested to see what this is. Apart from food/drink and a comfy seat what more could they do?

We are miles behind a lot of clubs now in terms of the matchday experience. I doubt they will touch the seats, but I’d imagine they are looking at a complete refurbishment of the concourses and kiosks.

Some of the 'negatives' on here are either mags or wums. If they are genuine SAFC supporters then with all due respect they are just stupid.

We have a significant commitment from 3 billionaires who are best mates with a man who is valued at £37billion and who has a reputation for philanthropy.

Honestly some on here would complain if they won a £100m on the lottery.

Social media has a lot to do with it as it gives the village idiot the same platform as the wisest amongst us.

This is great news and in my humble opinion is welcomed by the vast vast majority of SAFC fans.

HTLs

Spot on. I honestly believe that some of our fans enjoy negativity as it gives them a justification for not going to games.

 

[one armed boxer]

That's nothing to do with the cash coming in. No doubt as part of the background stuff, the capital side of the balance sheet is being restructured. The share capital is being reduced, and the share premium cancelled, which will also clear the deficit on retained earnings. The filing this morning is the allotment of the replacement shares for the previous ones. They'll be allotted 100% to Madrox, just as the old ones were.

No totally clear on what u mean, but I’m guessing the 9 mil listed in companies house doesn’t necessarily signify the amount invested/loaned. Do we have any clarification on the exact amount yet??

Sorry been at work all day without internet so not had a full chance to read everything.

 

[L1lyBrown]

When our turnover is circa £20 million and we're being given an additional £10 million that is what's known as a significant investment.

Not to the Americans. It's all relative and to our existing owners who have limited resources it is significant