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Significant investment by FPP has been made

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kildaremackem said:
they can find some advice about it yes. i mean on the business side they can find loads..my point is, we shouldnt assume they know people to give them football advice that are beter than those we have now.

we have more than one scout. people on here simultanously believe richard hill is involved with recruitment but that we only have one scout...baffling.
did those clubs have sports scientists and a category one academy?

no i think things change..the yanks might have gone in wanting a takeover and then changed their mind to this thing..
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But the football IS the business! If they've had business advice about this deal it must have been about the football!! And,it must have been from outside.....they wouldn't have taken advice from us about a deal we were about to do with them!!
 
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sad-eyed prophet said:
But the football IS the business! If they've had business advice about this deal it must have been about the football!! And,it must have been from outside.....they wouldn't have taken advice from us about a deal we were about to do with them!!
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i mean football operartions is part of the business and the financials of a football club are another..
they will definitely have had advice about the second.

privevate equity people often leave expert executives tp run the businesses they invest in..they dont run them theselves..they just look at the financials.
 
kildaremackem said:
i mean football operartions is part of the business and the financials of a football club are another..
they will definitely have had advice about the second.

privevate equity people often leave expert executives tp run the businesses they invest in..they dont run them theselves..they just look at the financials.
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Wrong!
Most successful private equity/investors place a huge amount of importance in the people they have running the business.And this business is football.They must,as they don't have the expertise themselves. It's as important to them as the financials. These American lads will have looked as closely at the football operations side as they have at the financials,you can count on it. And they will do going forward from here.
 
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sad-eyed prophet said:
Wrong!
Most successful private equity/investors place a huge amount of importance in the people they have running the business.And this business is football.They must,as they don't have the expertise themselves. It's as important to them as the financials. These American lads will have looked as closely at the football operations side as they have at the financials,you can count on it. And they will do going forward from here.
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of course they will have looked at it..what i mean is, they wont do it themselves. and they are haopy with the guys there now.
 
kildaremackem said:
of course they will have looked at it..what i mean is, they wont do it themselves. and they are haopy with the guys there now.
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Of course they won't do it themselves. They'll delegate to people who they trust to excel at the job,after taking advice from trusted experts,not SD and CM, in the football business. They'll set the financial parameters and then monitor performance against their targets. If they're expecting SD and CM to do this,then they must have confidence in them to achieve,confidence which will have been based on advice from knowledgeable people elsewhere.
 
sad-eyed prophet said:
Of course they won't do it themselves. They'll delegate to people who they trust to excel at the job,after taking advice from trusted experts,not SD and CM, in the football business. They'll set the financial parameters and then monitor performance against their targets. If they're expecting SD and CM to do this,then they must have confidence in them to achieve,confidence which will have been based on advice from knowledgeable people elsewhere.
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The expectation is that CM and SD will have to deliver...
 
INigle said:
The expectation is that CM and SD will have to deliver...
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Yep,and that's the task they have if they want to sell their holding in a newly promoted PL club,with structure and finance in place,for a huge profit in a few years from now.Imo,it's the gamble they've taken and good luck to them. They're putting their balls on the line for a chance at a pot of gold,and we fans are set up for the ride!
 
sad-eyed prophet said:
Yep,and that's the task they have if they want to sell their holding in a newly promoted PL club,with structure and finance in place,for a huge profit in a few years from now.Imo,it's the gamble they've taken and good luck to them. They're putting their balls on the line for a chance at a pot of gold,and we fans are set up for the ride!
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i really hope SD has the balls to make big decisions when required..i know he likes to keep his mates in jobs.. that is very evident.. dosent mean its the right thing.. hes basically got an open checkbook to get this right now.. hes had plenty time to assess his understudys.. if they arent performing they need removing..
 
sad-eyed prophet said:
Yep,and that's the task they have if they want to sell their holding in a newly promoted PL club,with structure and finance in place,for a huge profit in a few years from now.Imo,it's the gamble they've taken and good luck to them. They're putting their balls on the line for a chance at a pot of gold,and we fans are set up for the ride!
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This. Looks like they've given themselves a chance to do well and make a massive profit and I hope they manage it.

Since we don't know the details of the investment it might even be that they've given £10m and that it will be repaid in shares after a set amount of time. Let's say it's 3 years, the incentive could be that if they can't get us out of league one, that 10m might equal about 70% of the club's value (given Donald paid £15m for his shares). If they get us into the Championship it might only equal 50%, or maybe less, if somehow they can get us into the prem (unlikely I know) it may only be 10%. So the better they do the more FPP have to pay on order to own the whole thing. That reduces the risk for FPP and it also gives Donald and Methven the opportunity to make a really good profit for the hard work they've put in.

Like I say we have no way of knowing, that could be miles out, but it would make sense (in my mind at least!)
 
one armed boxer said:
Companies house shows a 7 figure sum not 8, has this been explained?
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thats not the investment its something else @Grumpy Old Man was sdaying..i dont understand it really..
Guinness Guzzler said:
This. Looks like they've given themselves a chance to do well and make a massive profit and I hope they manage it.

Since we don't know the details of the investment it might even be that they've given £10m and that it will be repaid in shares after a set amount of time. Let's say it's 3 years, the incentive could be that if they can't get us out of league one, that 10m might equal about 70% of the club's value (given Donald paid £15m for his shares). If they get us into the Championship it might only equal 50%, or maybe less, if somehow they can get us into the prem (unlikely I know) it may only be 10%. So the better they do the more FPP have to pay on order to own the whole thing. That reduces the risk for FPP and it also gives Donald and Methven the opportunity to make a really good profit for the hard work they've put in.

Like I say we have no way of knowing, that could be miles out, but it would make sense (in my mind at least!)
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i dont think ou are far out with this..
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
This. Looks like they've given themselves a chance to do well and make a massive profit and I hope they manage it.

Since we don't know the details of the investment it might even be that they've given £10m and that it will be repaid in shares after a set amount of time. Let's say it's 3 years, the incentive could be that if they can't get us out of league one, that 10m might equal about 70% of the club's value (given Donald paid £15m for his shares). If they get us into the Championship it might only equal 50%, or maybe less, if somehow they can get us into the prem (unlikely I know) it may only be 10%. So the better they do the more FPP have to pay on order to own the whole thing. That reduces the risk for FPP and it also gives Donald and Methven the opportunity to make a really good profit for the hard work they've put in.

Like I say we have no way of knowing, that could be miles out, but it would make sense (in my mind at least!)
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Spot on mate...we're on the same page.
 
one armed boxer said:
Companies house shows a 7 figure sum not 8, has this been explained?
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That's nothing to do with the cash coming in. No doubt as part of the background stuff, the capital side of the balance sheet is being restructured. The share capital is being reduced, and the share premium cancelled, which will also clear the deficit on retained earnings. The filing this morning is the allotment of the replacement shares for the previous ones. They'll be allotted 100% to Madrox, just as the old ones were.
 
So we now have more money to spend on allowing the same people to keep making the same mistakes?

I don't see how that's going to help. Coton, Hill and Co should have been looking for new jobs as a result of this investment, not sticking around to squander it.

What have they done to deserve more faith in them, apart from being mates with SD?

Months of speculation and disruption for things to basically stay the same. Waste of time.
 
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