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Short Is Failing Us

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Without reading the full thread, what a stupid start.

No communication? The board have a column in programme every match. If they spouted in media Short would be accused of attention seeking ala PDC.

He did not sell players, the manager did.

Lastly and most stupidly, you simply say he should 'get out'. How? If he pulls the plug on his own investment you can say bye to more than just Sees and Mig that is for sure. You go on like generous billionaires are queuing up to give SAFC millions of free cash. I personally know of zero.

gipetto said:
If he doesn't appoint a good manager/head coach then I think it's time for him to call it a day and get out.

He's sold Mignolet and Sessegnon and failed to replace them.

We needed more quality and we've brought in bargain basement players.

There is no communication and there appears to be no direction. Commercially we may be doing well but that will count for very little if we are relegated which is looking inevitable.

Very disappointing.
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gipetto said:
If he doesn't appoint a good manager/head coach then I think it's time for him to call it a day and get out.

He's sold Mignolet and Sessegnon and failed to replace them.

We needed more quality and we've brought in bargain basement players.

There is no communication and there appears to be no direction. Commercially we may be doing well but that will count for very little if we are relegated which is looking inevitable.

Very disappointing.
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gipetto said:
I don't think he's an easy target at all. People think because he's invested money then he's not accountable for the decisions he's made.

I just think this summer in particular has been a shocker. Losing Mignolet for only 9m. Sessegnon sold for 6m! Then bringing in little quality in return. We needed to keep our better players and bring in more quality. We failed to do either.
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I have always been the Migs biggest fan so I was gutted when he was sold, Sess less so but we should have got more for both of them, or kept them.
Short maybe could have done something about it but probably was advised badly by the clubs "football experts" who should know better.
That said whoever is in charge, mistakes will always occur on transfers, but I am not sure its the owner who should take the full blame for this.
Also I think real quality has been brought in. Giaccherini for one is one of the best quality players I have seen in a SAFC shirt for a while.
Short has and will make some mistakes, as we all do, however I am happy overall with what he has achieved at our club.
 
Hull_Mackem said:
Without reading the full thread, what a stupid start.

No communication? The board have a column in programme every match. If they spouted in media Short would be accused of attention seeking ala PDC.

He did not sell players, the manager did.

Lastly and most stupidly, you simply say he should 'get out'. How? If he pulls the plug on his own investment you can say bye to more than just Sees and Mig that is for sure. You go on like generous billionaires are queuing up to give SAFC millions of free cash. I personally know of zero.
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You honestly believe it was the managers decision to sell? :lol:[DOUBLEPOST=1381529723][/DOUBLEPOST]
Fendrith said:
I have always been the Migs biggest fan so I was gutted when he was sold, Sess less so but we should have got more for both of them, or kept them.
Short maybe could have done something about it but probably was advised badly by the clubs "football experts" who should know better.
That said whoever is in charge, mistakes will always occur on transfers, but I am not sure its the owner who should take the full blame for this.
Also I think real quality has been brought in. Giaccherini for one is one of the best quality players I have seen in a SAFC shirt for a while.
Short has and will make some mistakes, as we all do, however I am happy overall with what he has achieved at our club.
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You've named one quality player mate. It's not enough in this league. Our squad is diluted with average players. We should have brought in more quality this summer to support players like Fletcher and Cattermole and...well yeah that's about it.

Hopefully Altidore comes good.
 
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gipetto said:
You honestly believe it was the managers decision to sell? :lol:[DOUBLEPOST=1381529723][/DOUBLEPOST]

You've named one quality player mate. It's not enough in this league. Our squad is diluted with average players. We should have brought in more quality this summer to support players like Fletcher and Cattermole and...well yeah that's about it.

Hopefully Altidore comes good.
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Err, yes. Do you have evidence that it was not?

Still no answer on who you propose becomes our generous benefactor.
 
Hull_Mackem said:
Err, yes. Do you have evidence that it was not?

Still no answer on who you propose becomes our generous benefactor.
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Yeah I do. We have sold our better players and struggled to replace them since Short arrived so I'd be surprised if every manager we had wanted to get rid of their better players knowing it would be a struggle to replace them.
 
gipetto said:
Yeah I do. We have sold our better players and struggled to replace them since Short arrived so I'd be surprised if every manager we had wanted to get rid of their better players knowing it would be a struggle to replace them.
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So your 'evidence' is actually your opinion. PDC openly stated why HE agreed the sale of Sessegnon.

You seem to ignore the fact that the club is haemoraging money which Short is paying for out of his own pocket. What do you suggest? Keep mignolet so he goes for free 8 months from now? Keep Gyan and Sessegnon who don't want to be here and start making little effort. You need to live in the real world fella.
 
He's a great chairman who made a mistake in DiCanio. We are running on a 25 million loss without considering transfers so the fact that we have been able to back all our managers and bring in a top class proven one in O'Neill is down to Short. He also isn't responsible for FFP which is determining that we must cut our cloth accordingly and readjust our wage bill and he cant go supporting those sort of losses forever.
 
Hull_Mackem said:
So your 'evidence' is actually your opinion. PDC openly stated why HE agreed the sale of Sessegnon.

You seem to ignore the fact that the club is haemoraging money which Short is paying for out of his own pocket. What do you suggest? Keep mignolet so he goes for free 8 months from now? Keep Gyan and Sessegnon who don't want to be here and start making little effort. You need to live in the real world fella.
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Di Canio? Show me the link.

I I recall correctly Di Canio said he wanted to keep Sessegnon. He said the board would have to replace him with a quality striker and creative midfielder if they did decide to sell him.

Sessegnon said he wanted to stay. He could well have been in a rut as he was being forced out. What effort has Adam Johnson made this season??

I don't mind us selling our better players as long as we replace them with better quality but yet again they have failed to do so.[DOUBLEPOST=1381531169][/DOUBLEPOST]
rentaghost said:
He's a great chairman who made a mistake in DiCanio. We are running on a 25 million loss without considering transfers so the fact that we have been able to back all our managers and bring in a top class proven one in O'Neill is down to Short. He also isn't responsible for FFP which is determining that we must cut our cloth accordingly and readjust our wage bill and he cant go supporting those sort of losses forever.
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It'll count for nothing if we go down.
 
Did Canio was allowed to sell Sess but refused the funds to buy Huddlestone. The current board is wholly responsible for the downward spiral
 
Flash Gordon said:
I said what seemed like good decisions, i.e. the appointment of O'Neill. If you're going to slate him in hindsight for decisions like that then it's not even worth discussing.
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Let's stick with this then, are there any decisions that seemed right at the time that are still right? Is this billionaire just on an unlucky streak, or maybe he knows fook all about football and fook all about running a football club? Nobody can deny he hasn't put his money on the table, but it has not improved us.

It's no good saying we would have gone down under Drumaville management, nobody can tell.
 
gipetto said:
If he doesn't appoint a good manager/head coach then I think it's time for him to call it a day and get out.

He's sold Mignolet and Sessegnon and failed to replace them.

We needed more quality and we've brought in bargain basement players.

There is no communication and there appears to be no direction. Commercially we may be doing well but that will count for very little if we are relegated which is looking inevitable.

Very disappointing.
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What a load of shite. Are you 12?
 
the board has been dining out on the 2008, 2009 transfers, 2010 post Bent was the start of the decline for me, 2011 was a shocker, 2012 they redeemed themselves somewhat by the signing of Johnson, but this summer has been dire, for all the comings and goings the club haven't even splashed out on Spurs rejects. Is it any wonder the team is bottom of the league
 
Tbh if he's struggling to manage the finances in the year the bottom club get more money than last year's champions then we need a new chairman
 
rentaghost said:
Or perhaps he could have bought Huddlestone if he had brought in say 8 or 9 players rather than 14.
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no way was that di canios choice, he said he asked for a couple of english midfielders for 6 weeks and ended up with just cabral and ki on loan. De fanti does the transfers, people should realsie this. Poyet's quotes were interesting, saying he identifies what kind of player and de fanti goes out and gets them iirc.

The manager cant be at fault when the DOF or board totally ignore the instructions given by the manager. Dont give me the 14 players garbage either, at least 4 of them are young lads coming from sweden/france second tier and not ready to be player. Most of the others are squad filler to replace bramble etc. The few real bits of quality we brought in is giaccherini and altidore.

We had a squad totally crying out for quality before the summer, we then sold mig and sess and rose went back to spurs. We didnt even bring the quality needed before the summer never mind after selling them two anarl. It's no surprise we are struggling. An absolute shambles of a window by the board and de fanti.[DOUBLEPOST=1381534987][/DOUBLEPOST]
Deano said:
Tbh if he's struggling to manage the finances in the year the bottom club get more money than last year's champions then we need a new chairman
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that is why imo the cut ahs been a bit too quick and too much. We could have done it at a slower rate imo, with the new tv money in.

the fact he relies on a new manager bounce every year to keep us up is just an unsustainable as the finances and its about time he realised that. We need long term stability with poyet, if we go down give him a chance to build his philosophy at the club and come back stronger.
 
jsdftm04 said:
no way was that di canios choice, he said he asked for a couple of english midfielders for 6 weeks and ended up with just cabral and ki on loan. De fanti does the transfers, people should realsie this. Poyet's quotes were interesting, saying he identifies what kind of player and de fanti goes out and gets them iirc.

The manager cant be at fault when the DOF or board totally ignore the instructions given by the manager. Dont give me the 14 players garbage either, at least 4 of them are young lads coming from sweden/france second tier and not ready to be player. Most of the others are squad filler to replace bramble etc. The few real bits of quality we brought in is giaccherini and altidore.

We had a squad totally crying out for quality before the summer, we then sold mig and sess and rose went back to spurs. We didnt even bring the quality needed before the summer never mind after selling them two anarl. It's no surprise we are struggling. An absolute shambles of a window by the board and de fanti.[DOUBLEPOST=1381534987][/DOUBLEPOST]
that is why imo the cut ahs been a bit too quick and too much. We could have done it at a slower rate imo, with the new tv money in.

the fact he relies on a new manager bounce every year to keep us up is just an unsustainable as the finances and its about time he realised that. We need long term stability with poyet, if we go down give him a chance to build his philosophy at the club and come back stronger.
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If DiCanio had no say in signings and if DiFanti is responsible for the transfers (and you are right he is) then people cant use the argument that 'DiCanio didn't get Huddlestone' he didn't get Rooney either, another player he has no say in buying.
 
rentaghost said:
If DiCanio had no say in signings and if DiFanti is responsible for the transfers (and you are right he is) then people cant use the argument that 'DiCanio didn't get Huddlestone' he didn't get Rooney either, another player he has no say in buying.
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bu he's meant to give parameters of the signings he wants, its pretty clear he wanted huddlestone. He admitted he did after he signed for hull in a press conference.
 
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