Sheffield Wednesday possible -15 points next season

[seahamstar]

What about MK Don's mate?

Well, yes I thought that would come and I can see where you're coming from.
Having said that - they (I would think) will now have a fair few local folk supporting them who would see them as 'their club'.

I just think it's a bit odd describing certain clubs as 'proper' clubs when in reality all clubs (or most depending on your viewpoint) have people that care deeply and support a club based on them being their local club.

 

[summaz]

But surely that's what the rules are there for - to be 'adhered to'?
If the league decided to 'be lenient' or whatever then surely that would leave them wide open to be accused of treating Sheffield the same as the Premier league are being accused (by some) of treating Man City.
At the least, it would be setting quite a precedent for any other club to latch on to.

I don't see how it can be 'morally wrong' when it's in the rules.
All clubs are 'proper clubs' (with supporters) and should be treated the same.

'Proper' club ?
WTF?

Yes. Not a shit little tiny club like Bereh.

 

[seahamstar]

Yes. Not a shit little tiny club like Bereh.

Well, I predicted it would be one of two people that would respond in such a silly, childish way.
I was right about one - no doubt the other will be along at some point.
So predictable - and boring.

And who in god's name are 'Bereh' ?

 

[nottsmackem91]

chelsea and city need too get all their medals and put them in the bin

Well, I predicted it would be one of two people that would respond in such a silly, childish way.
I was right about one - no doubt the other will be along at some point.
So predictable - and boring.

And who in god's name are 'Bereh' ?

Bury

But surely that's what the rules are there for - to be 'adhered to'?
If the league decided to 'be lenient' or whatever then surely that would leave them wide open to be accused of treating Sheffield the same as the Premier league are being accused (by some) of treating Man City.
At the least, it would be setting quite a precedent for any other club to latch on to.

I don't see how it can be 'morally wrong' when it's in the rules.
All clubs are 'proper clubs' (with supporters) and should be treated the same.

'Proper' club ?
WTF?

Sheffield Wednesday still have a sellout away crowd how many clubs would get 24k whilst being relegated with -points?
I'll wait...

Well, I predicted it would be one of two people that would respond in such a silly, childish way.
I was right about one - no doubt the other will be along at some point.
So predictable - and boring.

And who in god's name are 'Bereh' ?

Ironic considering all of your posts in this thread are childish and condescending...

 

[summaz]

Well, I predicted it would be one of two people that would respond in such a silly, childish way.
I was right about one - no doubt the other will be along at some point.
So predictable - and boring.

And who in god's name are 'Bereh' ?

25.5k posts

Absolutely obsessed

 

[seahamstar]

Bury

Sheffield Wednesday still have a sellout away crowd how many clubs would get 24k whilst being relegated with -points?
I'll wait...

Ironic considering all of your posts in this thread are childish and condescending...

Yes they're a well supported club, and as I've already stated - I've nowt against them, but since when has the amount of supporters a club has make a 'ruling' on whether a club is 'proper', or any more deserving than any other club (who undoubtedly will have people who care passionately for them) ?

Wouldn't mind knowing how you come to the conclusion that thinking all clubs are 'proper' clubs with supporters that care for them is both childish and condescending.

All I'm saying is that Wednesday are a club that has people supporting them that care deeply about them, as do all clubs.

25.5k posts

Absolutely obsessed

And back to that old chestnut.
Always goes to that when a decent answer is beyond you.

Oh well

 

[summaz]

Yes they're a well supported club, and as I've already stated - I've nowt against them, but since when has the amount of supporters a club has make a 'ruling' on whether a club is 'proper', or any more deserving than any other club (who undoubtedly will have people who care passionately for them) ?

Wouldn't mind knowing how you come to the conclusion that thinking all clubs are 'proper' clubs with supporters that care for them is both childish and condescending.

All I'm saying is that Wednesday are a club that has people supporting them that care deeply about them, as do all clubs.

And back to that old chestnut.
Always goes to that when a decent answer is beyond you.

Oh well

State of you man

Straight on any thread about any other club absolutely praying you see someone comment with "Good club" "Great club" so you can come in with your same old boring shite. You've done this in absolutely loads of threads. 25 thousand posts on a Sunderland forum.

 

[nottsmackem91]

State of you man

Straight on any thread about any other club absolutely praying you see someone comment with "Good club" "Great club" so you can come in with your same old boring shite. You've done this in absolutely loads of threads. 25 thousand posts on a Sunderland forum.

Didn't answer my simple question just danced around it .
An average of 22600 fans a week including 3 boycotted games is f***ing mental.

 

[seahamstar]

Didn't answer my simple question just danced around it .
An average of 22600 fans a week including 3 boycotted games is f***ing mental.

How weird.
The only 'question' you asked was how many clubs would get 24k if relegated with minus points.!!!.
Well, I (or anyone else) could not possibly know the answer to your (I've summonsed an answer so I demand it) question as it's not happened before to my knowledge.
An irrelevant 'question' anyway - as I've already said that in my opinion all clubs have the right to be described as 'proper clubs' regardless of how big their attendances are.
Or is a club only 'proper' if they get a certain amount of people in at matches ?



Now, on the subject of 'dancing around' or more to the point not even responding to my questioning your accusations,............

 

[Sallycinamon]

Yes they're a well supported club, and as I've already stated - I've nowt against them, but since when has the amount of supporters a club has make a 'ruling' on whether a club is 'proper', or any more deserving than any other club (who undoubtedly will have people who care passionately for them) ?

Wouldn't mind knowing how you come to the conclusion that thinking all clubs are 'proper' clubs with supporters that care for them is both childish and condescending.

All I'm saying is that Wednesday are a club that has people supporting them that care deeply about them, as do all clubs.

When people say clubs are a ‘proper club’ they’re referring to their standing within the English game - a great name of English football, rich history and well thought of. An institution.

This is as opposed to manufactured clubs such as Wrexham, MK Dons, Salford, etc, even Wigan for a number of years - small, incidental clubs who have a false standing in the game due to, predominantly, rich benefactors.

 

[FoldingStars]

Enough is enough, especially when they actively dodging the decision on Man City

Who are dodging a decision on City and what evidence do you have for this?

the issue with Wednesday is the EFL are holding their rules to the dot, all interested parties knew these rules when they submitted their bid but now the preferred choice (well 2nd choice) are hoping if they go vocal they can get the club cheaper. Would everyone be happy if they didn’t pay the 25p in the £ and got no punishment but St John’s Ambulance, the local laundry and the women who down face painting lost out on a few thousand each just so a billionaire can pay less for a football club?

The EFL should change the rule so owners can’t hold their rules club ransom for their 25p after they’ve messed up but no way should local businesses get screwed by it and the club get no punishment. It’s a business move by the preferred buyer hoping to save money.

 

[Visiting owl]

Who are dodging a decision on City and what evidence do you have for this?

the issue with Wednesday is the EFL are holding their rules to the dot, all interested parties knew these rules when they submitted their bid but now the preferred choice (well 2nd choice) are hoping if they go vocal they can get the club cheaper. Would everyone be happy if they didn’t pay the 25p in the £ and got no punishment but St John’s Ambulance, the local laundry and the women who down face painting lost out on a few thousand each just so a billionaire can pay less for a football club?

The EFL should change the rule so owners can’t hold their rules club ransom for their 25p after they’ve messed up but no way should local businesses get screwed by it and the club get no punishment. It’s a business move by the preferred buyer hoping to save money.

As much as I would like, I can't really disagree with what you're saying.

I think the bidder is making a noise ( correctly in my view) that the stadium and facilities are in more of a state than previously known, therefore they are wanting a deal that sees Chansiri take responsibility, and rightly so, the monstrous fat headed bellend.

 

[FoldingStars]

As much as I would like, I can't really disagree with what you're saying.

I think the bidder is making a noise ( correctly in my view) that the stadium and facilities are in more of a state than previously known, therefore they are wanting a deal that sees Chansiri take responsibility, and rightly so, the monstrous fat headed bellend.

Again though thats down to them for not checking, if that is indeed whats happened. Cant get a discount for being an (rich) idiot.

Personally I think they bid more than the club is worth (25p in the £) as they knew both Mike Ashley and the Simon Jordan group were never going to bid that amount so they got the preferred bidder status and now trying to bully/make noises to get it cheaper. Simon Jordan was saying this morning that he doesnt think the rule as is clear cut and the EFL could simply say pay everyone else but screw over Chansiri and we wont give you the points deduction, if thats the case then hopefully they do that. I just then see Mike Ashley popping up and suing the EFL if he was told differently as he probably saw the money better spent on players next year who would bring in more than the points deduction.

The dream scenario is either the EFL changes/alters the rules or the club is sold to somebody who doesnt agree to the 25p in the £ but repays all the debts minus Chansiri privately so the only person that misses out is the man who caused it all.

 

[SpiritofBurnden]

We were relegated to L1 and then started the next season on -12 points and were relegated again at the end of that season.

Wednesday will struggle in L1, regardless of any point deductions, if they don't invest.

L1 could be even tougher next season if WBA and/or Leicester go down.

 

[Luca Changretta]

Who are dodging a decision on City and what evidence do you have for this?

the issue with Wednesday is the EFL are holding their rules to the dot, all interested parties knew these rules when they submitted their bid but now the preferred choice (well 2nd choice) are hoping if they go vocal they can get the club cheaper. Would everyone be happy if they didn’t pay the 25p in the £ and got no punishment but St John’s Ambulance, the local laundry and the women who down face painting lost out on a few thousand each just so a billionaire can pay less for a football club?

The EFL should change the rule so owners can’t hold their rules club ransom for their 25p after they’ve messed up but no way should local businesses get screwed by it and the club get no punishment. It’s a business move by the preferred buyer hoping to save money.

Seems excessive punishment to me, its due to the previous owners spite and neglect a once great club is in this state.

Maybe the EFL should look at its own culpability in allowing this person to pass their 'fit and proper' owners test, and factor that into any future sanctions.

 

[DrewC]

That's as I understand it, the potenial new owners only want to pay 6p on the pound in debt, league rules state it should me at least 25p on the pound
I don't like Ashley but he would have been a much better option

At 4 EFL clubs ruined by shady foreign owners
Sheffield Wednesday
West Brom
Leicester
Reading

I'm sure there are more

Soon to be Newcastle if sold?

We were relegated to L1 and then started the next season on -12 points and were relegated again at the end of that season.

Wednesday will struggle in L1, regardless of any point deductions, if they don't invest.

L1 could be even tougher next season if WBA and/or Leicester go down.

Leicester will be down WBA could have point deduction….Oxford Utd might scramble out of the bottom 3 if that happens both go down

 

[FoldingStars]

Seems excessive punishment to me, its due to the previous owners spite and neglect a once great club is in this state.

Maybe the EFL should look at its own culpability in allowing this person to pass their 'fit and proper' owners test, and factor that into any future sanctions.

The punishment is fine as it stands as it makes sure small local suppliers who most likely are fans so extend pay periods orgies discounts already, the change of make is say owners aren’t included in the 25p in the £ rule. You can’t allow clubs to enter admin and then not be punished m, people were rightly angry when clubs were doing this when they knew they were safe from relegation.

How would you test that somebody is fit and proper? Sheff We’d fans loved him at first when he was spending money, it’s when his family stopped giving him it is when th issues started. You can’t test if a person is going to have financial issues in 2, 5 or 10 years time.

It’s really easy to say something is broken, unfair or not right but sadly we need rules like this so owners can’t find easy loopholes as they have done in the past.

 

[NGPost]

Soon to be Newcastle if sold?

Leicester will be down WBA could have point deduction….Oxford Utd might scramble out of the bottom 3 if that happens both go down

How does points deductions work, Sheff w giet a points deduction for next season and WBA get it for this season

 

[FoldingStars]

How does points deductions work, Sheff w giet a points deduction for next season and WBA get it for this season

West Brom one is weird as it should be this year but if it was due to administration it’s beyond the deadline so would be next year. Owners are going to appeal it anyway as they say it’s their debt from buying the club and not the clubs debt.

 

[Peel Street Massif]

How does points deductions work, Sheff w giet a points deduction for next season and WBA get it for this season

You get a points deduction for entering administration. You also get a points deduction for exiting it, if the creditors dont get a certain amount of pence in the pound repaid.

WBA potential points deduction is for failing FFP, nothing to do with administration. Their owners are saying it shouldn't apply though, as it is due to interest payable on a loan the former owner took out and used the club as a repayment vehicle. And I think the breach is less than £1million in that respect, where no sporting advantage has occurred, so a points sanction would be harsh