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Parkside said:
I agree with most of your points but disagree that the demise of club cricket is Durham's fault. Durham went 1st class several years before the pyramid structure was formed. I suspect cricket is still more buoyant in the NE than elsewhere in the country and we've got Durham to thank for local lads becoming internationals and being able to watch world class cricketers-surely that's good for promoting the game and also for promoting the region itself. Preferring club cricket to CC is purely a personal choice of which you're fully entitled.
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Thats fair enough mate.
 

Voice of fair play said:
Thats fair enough mate.
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I would agree with Parkside on the basis that kids who actually go to watch DCCC play will initially be inspired to play cricket. We can argue until the cows come home (and have done) about making sure all of this happens.
 
Ageing trundler said:
I would agree with Parkside on the basis that kids who actually go to watch DCCC play will initially be inspired to play cricket. We can argue until the cows come home (and have done) about making sure all of this happens.
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I was taken to watch local cricket when I was kid and was inspired by that,tbf the issues like you say are far wider but think kids don’t get inspired watching Durham
 
Voice of fair play said:
I was taken to watch local cricket when I was kid and was inspired by that,tbf the issues like you say are far wider but think kids don’t get inspired watching Durham
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The kids dont get inspired watching Durham CCC. My lad has been a member at DCCC since he was about 6 but few of his mates are members. In fact he played for the DCB U15's last year and the vast majority of them have never or barely seen a Durham game to my knowledge. They were all given free memberships last year as part of that squad and I'd be interested to know how many of them used it. These are lads who aspire to play for Durham CCC.
 
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What Durham as a first class county have done is is give local youngster the chance to play county cricket on a level playing field as those in other parts of the country. There is now a clear pathway if they are good enough via the Academy.
But to say Durham C.C. has inspired more youngsters to take up the game is a bit far fetched.
 
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
What Durham as a first class county have done is is give local youngster the chance to play county cricket on a level playing field as those in other parts of the country. There is now a clear pathway if they are good enough via the Academy.
But to say Durham C.C. has inspired more youngsters to take up the game is a bit far fetched.
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TBF to Durham CCC they put an awful lot of effort into grass roots stuff for the bairns at schools etc for which they are funded I believe by the ECB/similar. However that clearly doesnt really translate onto the field of play because, and as I see it, some might disagree, the number of junior players seems to be decreasing - as witnessed by the number of games conceded before a ball has been bowled. Furthermore a problem level appears to me to be the Under 18's where fewer clubs seem to have kids at that level for a number of reasons.

At some clubs the junior system has collapsed and we seem to be moving towards what I would term "super clubs" who have all the youngsters eg CLS CC, HLCC, Burnopfield CC, Sacriston CC et al. The aforementioned are able to put more effort into it due to having resources and a great setup and also at clubs like Sacriston there is very much a community spirit in the village, a village that clearly isnt awash with resources, but abounds with enthusiasm, identity and a lot of talent.
 
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When I say inspired by watching DCCC, I mean the England players who play for us. When they play (if they ever play) is the time to get the kids along. Or when the opposition have star names in their XI.
 
This is not just a Durham problem. The league I played in is a Senior League in Yorkshire. We did not join the YCB pyramid after being told we were too widespread after initially being told we would be part of the pyramid. We operate in a triangle from Leeds to Harrogate and over to Skipton. Yes it is big but the York Senior League, part of the pyramid, now stretches from Harrogate to beyond Hull and up to Ripon and Driffield. We have lost 3 teams and they have been replaced and are back to 36 - 3 divisions of 12 and 2nd teams. We experience cancellations, not fielding full teams, umpire shortage etc. In addition 1st class players, English and overseas, are not allowed to play in our League. We are a village club playing in a senior league but only one lad comes from the village. We are well run with ex-players now running the club, a lot of juniors (many do not progress sadly to Saturday cricket because they are not good enough).
 
Johnap said:
This is not just a Durham problem. The league I played in is a Senior League in Yorkshire. We did not join the YCB pyramid after being told we were too widespread after initially being told we would be part of the pyramid. We operate in a triangle from Leeds to Harrogate and over to Skipton. Yes it is big but the York Senior League, part of the pyramid, now stretches from Harrogate to beyond Hull and up to Ripon and Driffield. We have lost 3 teams and they have been replaced and are back to 36 - 3 divisions of 12 and 2nd teams. We experience cancellations, not fielding full teams, umpire shortage etc. In addition 1st class players, English and overseas, are not allowed to play in our League. We are a village club playing in a senior league but only one lad comes from the village. We are well run with ex-players now running the club, a lot of juniors (many do not progress sadly to Saturday cricket because they are not good enough).
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That last point is a good example of why some clubs are folding, modern-day, people move away from where they were brought up. At my former club it was the same. It's not much fun, for example, doing a 10 mile round trip on Saturday morning to see if the ground is playable as no-one else can be bothered. Clubs in towns fare better, as I've found out where I'm at now.
 
Useless at Roker said:
Here me out on this!

Durham CCC is the worst thing that has ever happened for the club game in the North East!

There's a reason why the club game was so strong! No first class cricket! We craved it! Now we don't watch it!

Firstly it's in the wrong place! It should have been Durham and Northumberland and been based in Newcastle! Chester-le-Street is in the middle of nowhere as far as people finishing work is concerned. Metro home would be fine. Look at Headingly! That's the reason Yorkshire didn't move to Wakefield in the late 90's.

The Premier League Cricket pull skids from clubs like Seaham and therefore their community. They leave straight after the match to get home. It places expense on clubs by having uniforms, fancy scoreboards, and social media.

Where are the tea ladies now? They'd do it for a cause but not when people are making from it.

I played at Whitburn and a stalwart batsman (Class in the DSL) who should be playing into his fifties retired aged just 42 as he was just a fraction of a second slower than in the old DSL. This then kills the social side.

The pits have shut too and the generation at the time are now in their 40's and 50's.

The world is changing constantly and the game I love is dying and I blame those Empire Builders keen for the elitist glamour, and Durham CCC birth. Hindsight is wonderful and be careful what you wish for.
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Spot on the empire building of the county and the premier league has destroyed local cricket. Far far better when there was the senior league,coast league,county league etc.
 
wicketkeeper said:
Spot on the empire building of the county and the premier league has destroyed local cricket. Far far better when there was the senior league,coast league,county league etc.
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The same clubs exist now as did then, the only difference is the leagues they play in are named differently. having played in the coast league and now the DCL not much has changed imo. still have the same problems now as back then imo.

Talking of empire building the senior brought their downfall upon themselves remember.
 
SAFC2403 said:
The same clubs exist now as did then, the only difference is the leagues they play in are named differently. having played in the coast league and now the DCL not much has changed imo. still have the same problems now as back then imo.

Talking of empire building the senior brought their downfall upon themselves remember.
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I agree and that is why I disagree with the snobbery which is the premier league,the senior league brought about their own downfall by refusing teams promotion into their league, which is exactly what the premier league does if a team does not fit their snobbery criteria.

It’s totally contradictory!!!
 
Voice of fair play said:
I agree and that is why I disagree with the snobbery which is the premier league,the senior league brought about their own downfall by refusing teams promotion into their league, which is exactly what the premier league does if a team does not fit their snobbery criteria.

It’s totally contradictory!!!
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I’m just not sure how snobby the criteria is. Sacriston have made the top flight this year. A club not awash with cash, a small field, wicket not great, and until very recently condemned changing rooms and a scorebox dropping to bits. Surely if they can meet the criteria there is nothing stopping anyone with a bit of hard work.
 
Carteron said:
I’m just not sure how snobby the criteria is. Sacriston have made the top flight this year. A club not awash with cash, a small field, wicket not great, and until very recently condemned changing rooms and a scorebox dropping to bits. Surely if they can meet the criteria there is nothing stopping anyone with a bit of hard work.
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That’s really good to know, its that type of club that should be able to progress a local small club in the community who have worked hard on and off the field.

What you don’t want is clubs stretching themselves financially to meet a criteria.
 
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