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Saudi Arabia 2030


CARLOS CLASS said:
Met plenty locals and I take people as I find them.
I’ve been very impressed with Doha. It’s spotlessly clean, well organised, ultra safe, great fun and a cultural melting pot - it’s been class
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It's looked utterly soulless from the outside like. Follow a couple of lads on twitter who went. Must have walked round that corniche thing about 350 times. Did the same thing over and over again. Getting to that tent ground england played at a bit appeared to be painful.

I've been to dubai and that was woeful (very nice hotels granted). This just looked a small scale, quiet version of that.

What did look good was that they were able to go to loads of games. But just highlighted it was a tournament for those who had a lot of spare cash.
robbied1 said:
So you are saying we do it illegally and that's OK?
I'm pretty sure qatar do it 'legally' too. Not sure what your point is
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Jesus. Of course it's not OK.

My fairly simple point is slavery is bad. Why's that so hard to understand?
 
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North Yorks Mackem said:
It's looked utterly soulless from the outside like. Follow a couple of lads on twitter who went. Must have walked round that corniche thing about 350 times. Did the same thing over and over again. Getting to that tent ground england played at a bit appeared to be painful.

I've been to dubai and that was woeful (very nice hotels granted). This just looked a small scale, quiet version of that.

What did look good was that they were able to go to loads of games. But just highlighted it was a tournament for those who had a lot of spare cash.

Jesus. Of course it's not OK.

My fairly simple point is slavery is bad. Why's that so hard to understand?
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I do understand, but you seem to think it happens in qatar? I'm pretty sure it's legal to have migrant workers , pretty much like it is everywhere else in the world.
 
North Yorks Mackem said:
My fairly simple point is slavery is bad. Why's that so hard to understand?
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Because the fella you’re talking to makes Karl Pilkington look like Max Planck.
robbied1 said:
I do understand, but you seem to think it happens in qatar? I'm pretty sure it's legal to have migrant workers , pretty much like it is everywhere else in the world.
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Yeah, is it routine everywhere else for those migrant workers to have their passports confiscated by their employers so they can’t leave?

Another example about my stay in Doha. I lived in a nice apartment block. My place had something that was described to me as a “maid’s quarters.” It had no windows and the lock was on the outside.
 
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SYB_DC said:
Because the fella you’re talking to makes Karl Pilkington look like Max Planck.

Yeah, is it routine everywhere else for those migrant workers to have their passports confiscated by their employers so they can’t leave?
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And pay witheld
 
Skylon said:
Why has the world cup never been held in these vile places before then? Its getting worse, wouldn't be surprised if these oil laden ,fascist states just buy the premier league, uefa, fifa , the lot.
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Was held in Argentina in the 70s whilst they had a military junta in charge and thousands of people were "disappearing".
Awareness is much more commonplace now but people had to be aware of that then.
Spain probably won the rights to 82 as or not long after being Francoist.
 
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SYB_DC said:
Because the fella you’re talking to makes Karl Pilkington look like Max Planck.

Yeah, is it routine everywhere else for those migrant workers to have their passports confiscated by their employers so they can’t leave?

Another example about my stay in Doha. I lived in a nice apartment block. My place had something that was described to me as a “maid’s quarters.” It had no windows and the lock was on the outside.
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Idiot
 
Foggers said:
Was held in Argentina in the 70s whilst they had a military junta in charge and thousands of people were "disappearing".
Awareness is much more commonplace now but people had to be aware of that then.
Spain probably won the rights to 82 as or not long after being Francoist.
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I know what you mean, but you'd like to think the world had moved on a bit by now
 
robbied1 said:
I do understand, but you seem to think it happens in qatar? I'm pretty sure it's legal to have migrant workers , pretty much like it is everywhere else in the world.
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Good grief. I'm saying it's wrong to use modern day slavery. Which they do in Qatar. Do you think the kafala system is acceptable?

They have limited protections. They have their passports confiscated. They work ridiculous hours comfortably double to what is normal in the western world. They have huge chunks of their pay taken from various agencies. They are forced to work in oppressive heat which has ultimately led to hundreds being killed. They aren't free to speak out against their conditions or employers. They are segregated from the rest of qatar and forced to live in accommodation that is similar to out prisons. They are treated like modern day slaves.
 
SYB_DC said:
If that's the entirety of your rebuttal, I think you've proven my point far beyond anything I can do.
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Off course I have, a few cheap thrills for you there
North Yorks Mackem said:
Good grief. I'm saying it's wrong to use modern day slavery. Which they do in Qatar. Do you think the kafala system is acceptable?

They have limited protections. They have their passports confiscated. They work ridiculous hours comfortably double to what is normal in the western world. They have huge chunks of their pay taken from various agencies. They are forced to work in oppressive heat which has ultimately led to hundreds being killed. They aren't free to speak out against their conditions or employers. They are segregated from the rest of qatar and forced to live in accommodation that is similar to out prisons. They are treated like modern day slaves.
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Yet slavery doesn't happen here, I see it alot on London. But that's OK.....because its legal
 
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Botchie said:
Have the venues been announced?
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It's Vancouver and Toronto in Canada. I will probably head to Vancouver for a trip as it's only a few hour drive from where I stay.

If you are heading over from UK it's a fab city and you could have a great trip over I would definitely recommend Vancouver Island for a trip and whistler is just up the road which is a fab place as well
 
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