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Sale is close - Barnsey

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Seaham_FTM said:
Sacking manager after manager has resulted in us being where we are today IMO
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I'd say most of them were warranted, Ross you could argue was hamstrung by the sale of Maja and the signing of Grigg - possibly the cliques in the dressing room Morgan mentioned in that podcast.

Coleman didn't do enough to justify being kept on in League One and got rid as a clean slate for the new owners.

Grayson, definitely should have been sacked

Moyes :lol:

Allardyce left of his own accord.

Advocaat we were going down, was given some money but ha'way man Lens?

Poyet I would have persevered so I'll give you that one.

Di Canio :lol:

O'Neill we'll never know but the jobs he's had since don't fill you with confidence, in another era maybe. That Norwich game was pathetic

Bruce oversaw an absolutely disastrous dismantling of a squad which was decent, I'd say he was also taking us down.

I don't think it's the sacking of managers that led us down this path, more that those above them have had no direction for at least two decades.
 
Seaham_FTM said:
Take Di Canio out of it as it was always going to end badly as he is a lunatic... but if we had stuck with Bruce, O'Neill or Poyet do you really think we would be anywhere near where we are now?
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Bruce set the whole thing in motion and O'Neill would have taken us down imo. Maybe it wouldnt have ended quite as badly but our finances were fucked for years thanks to Bruce's 2011 window and we'd have struggled in the championship. More crucially perhaps if relegation came earlier then maybe short wouldnt have cut his ties so quickly and tried to right the wrongs.

By the time Poyet was there the Alvarez scenario was in full swing. I think he would have taken us down and that could have ended the same way as our last championship season for sure.At least Poyet did give us some kind of identity and had a long term plan. I just think that by then the books were absolutely buggered and thats been the biggest issue in our late tenure under short.
 
Get Into Em said:
PP deserves a pre-season.

I think the last manager that got a full one before JR was Gus.

Imo, they all deserve/deserved full pre seasons to do what they can.

Poyet in the RR podcast said that he wasn't given the freedom that he was expecting when it came to signings, that's why it went worse in the 2nd season. Hope it's not the same case still.
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PP Deserves the sack
 
Get Into Em said:
PP deserves a pre-season.

I think the last manager that got a full one before JR was Gus.

Imo, they all deserve/deserved full pre seasons to do what they can.

Poyet in the RR podcast said that he wasn't given the freedom that he was expecting when it came to signings, that's why it went worse in the 2nd season. Hope it's not the same case still.
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He really doesn't. Should never have been given the job, nevermind be sacked at the end of last season.
 
young2077 said:
I agree he is more or less saying ya full of shit.

If any of you do have genuine info, you won't have proof anyway as anything you have could be faked quite easily (text messages etc.)

He hasn't shown proof and neither have you, people can believe what you're both saying or not. Easy really.

I choose to believe there is two interested parties, three if we include the madman with a beard, and you are getting information on different parties.
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I'm not going to video people who i been talking to n put it on here! 😅😅 also hate it when people get thier phones out to video people when they out. Might be old fashioned me tho, i don't know😅
 
KittenMittens said:
I think it's slightly more nuanced than that, but in essence you're right. I think that Donald needed to get their agreement that it was ok for him to publicly solicit a buyer for assets that their loan was secured against. but I think that was done at the turn of the year. From that point on they couldn't block him talking to people or paying back the loan to get a deal done.

I now have some doubts about the nature of their convertible loan after seeing MSD do the same with Southampton and Derby, if I'm honest. If specifics were added to the loan agreement, then that would give me more confidence that there was an option to convert, but I had a chat with someone about bail-in legislation the other day and I think they may not be able to do it if Donald can prove he is still solvent and doesn't want them to, @Grumpy Old Man what do you think? It looks to me as if they'd need Donald to be massively in the red with no remedial options or prospect of sale?

*for reference, the bail-in legislation wording in our charge sheet was created after the financial crash so that people owed money by institutions wouldn't be left out of pocket if failing businesses went to the wall, not to unilaterally allow a bank to take shares in a business it has lent to if it is successful or they felt it was a good investment.
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Did they go to the same lengths as they did with us with those clubs? It does seem quite clear they intended to takeover then for whatever reason that became a loan.
 
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