The one that looks like a Russian Wish.com Moyes is even worse.
Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES) - Please put sensitive content behind a spoiler
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Donetsk the Ukrainian city aye?
This! Another reason why this thread having discussions in it as well as updates might help raise awareness!
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SurreyMackem
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Russian losses
Ukraine pushes Russia back
Ukraine pushes Russia back
MonkeyLove
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The article below is brilliant and Trent Talenko, who was a senior US DoD civil servant had been tweeting a fair bit about US weapons and logistics which he is hugely experienced with.
Both are basically saying that the TV experts and journalists are offering a very superficial analysis of the impact weapons will have on the fight. Focussing on numbers of pieces and range.
Read the article below and the Trent Talento thread and it shows that in reality even in small numbers the Himars being delivered could be devastating for Russia.
It’s not just the number of pieces there is a distinct difference between a 1960’s Russian MLRS and the latest US equipment.
Ie the Russian one takes 4 hours to reload and needs separate trucks to do it. The US just needs the supply vehicle and takes 5 minutes.
The Russian unguided accuracy rating is 4%. The precision guided shells of the US are over 90%.
Message seems to be one US Himars is worth many many multiples of the Soviet era Russian tech on the battlefield. So ignore the number of units - If the Ukrainians get good training, use them well, keep them supplied and keep them safe with air defence then even 4 could change the picture in the Donbas
I think Trent Talenko said on paper just 4 alone could hit 2,300 Russian targets with precision a day. Real world more like 3-500. Which is still massive
Both are basically saying that the TV experts and journalists are offering a very superficial analysis of the impact weapons will have on the fight. Focussing on numbers of pieces and range.
Read the article below and the Trent Talento thread and it shows that in reality even in small numbers the Himars being delivered could be devastating for Russia.
It’s not just the number of pieces there is a distinct difference between a 1960’s Russian MLRS and the latest US equipment.
Ie the Russian one takes 4 hours to reload and needs separate trucks to do it. The US just needs the supply vehicle and takes 5 minutes.
The Russian unguided accuracy rating is 4%. The precision guided shells of the US are over 90%.
Message seems to be one US Himars is worth many many multiples of the Soviet era Russian tech on the battlefield. So ignore the number of units - If the Ukrainians get good training, use them well, keep them supplied and keep them safe with air defence then even 4 could change the picture in the Donbas
I think Trent Talenko said on paper just 4 alone could hit 2,300 Russian targets with precision a day. Real world more like 3-500. Which is still massive
Ukraine Update: Not enough? Here's the challenge of moving even four HIMARS
I both love and hate Ukrainian aid announcements from the Pentagon. Here’s the latest: High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and ammunition; Five counter-artillery radars; Two air surveillance radars; 1,000 Javelins and 50 Command Launch Units; 6,000...
m.dailykos.com
Wrenthorpe Mackem
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An individual human story summarises the need for greater weapons support. When are Ukraine getting these heavy long range weapons to counter Russian artillery?
www.theguardian.com
‘A shot went through my cheek’: the human cost of Ukraine’s defence
As invasion continues with western arms deliveries smaller than hoped, ordinary Ukrainians are facing full weight of Russian artillery
www.theguardian.com
MonkeyLove
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Using the M777
Himars will arrive in the next week (before 1st July). But they require an industry of their own to supply
maghater
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Dont think fatty would dare to send his troops to war, he doesn't t have the support of his country, or his army. If he did they would have invaded along with the orcs back in February.Nice of Belarus and Russia offering to protect Ukraine from a Polish invasion on Ukraine's western border.
Unfortunately his presence to the North is forcing Ukraine to keep significant troops tied down just in case, which is just what his bum chum wants.
SurreyMackem
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Ukraine shelling civilians, video from Russian propagandist.
Fake news, the shells are Russian
Bulwell
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Excellent article here on HIMAR's and the logistics of it all, hopefully a real game changer when the whole process is fully up and running.
Ukraine Update: Not enough? Here's the challenge of moving even four HIMARS
I both love and hate Ukrainian aid announcements from the Pentagon. Here’s the latest: High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and ammunition; Five counter-artillery radars; Two air surveillance radars; 1,000 Javelins and 50 Command Launch Units; 6,000...
www.dailykos.com
maghater
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neither, probably Scotland
Darlo1973
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Not if they have to join the queue.
martinlumley
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Which they wouldn't supply without it, or it would be worthless. Be assured that when they (USA) supply weapons they come with all the back-up systems they require to make them 100% effective, with artillery systems costing 20 m dollars each, they won't fuck around and just give them away, they have millions of dollars invested it these systems, with a whole supporting cast of technicians, operators and support staff required to go live, they need to transfer these roles to Ukrainian personnel before they get into the battle arena, so by the time they fire, I expect them to cause absolute mayhem in the battle zone. I think Zelensky's Christmases are all about to come true in the battlefields of Ukraine, I just hope that it's all military and not civilian casualties that ensue.
SurreyMackem
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Vinyl Score
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They look very eastern Russia, no winners in this war, except Poo-tin's ego.
