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Roy Keane

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The Rolls Royce said:
True. It just feels like a hail Mary "fuck it why not" kind of a singing. A gamble that may pay off if the stars align the way we want them to, not the most logical, efficient way of getting ourselves promoted.
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See i genuinely believe that to succeed here you have to be a certain character. So, while it might seem as a "fuck it why not" is actually more tailored than most think.
 
The Rolls Royce said:
I want to be positive about this, and will enjoy the initial euphoria. But there's just part of me that feels like this isn't a great idea.

First of all, I feel that part of Keane's original success with us 14 years ago was to do with the fact he was managing players he had played with, or against, or even just who were professionals during the time he played. Not that current day players don't respect him, but I feel the 2008 players would have a better understanding of who Keane is and therefore deal with his personality better. Not to mention rightly or wrongly, modern players do tend to need a lighter touch. Perhaps Keane will adapt his style. I'm not sure.

Next of all, financially the game itself has changed so much. In 2008, we got promoted from the Championship with a spend of around 8million iirc, at the time one of the biggest spenders in the division. Nowadays teams are spending tens of millions and failing to get close. Granted COVID and situations like Derby and Sheff Wed should dissuade that behaviour somewhat. The point is we don't have the financial clout to cover up any managerial weaknesses Keane may have.

The game is also different tactically, I don't think you can get away with just motivating a team up the league anymore. There's a much greater focus on tactics and data than ever before, and again I have no idea how well Keane would adapt to that.

If he is the new manager I will support him, and I am ready to be proven totally wrong but it just feels like an appeal to emotion not logic.
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In league one you certainly don't need money, loads of teams have gone up spending next to nowt. I know you're referring to the championship but let's worry about getting there first. Once we're there there's every chance that KLD will get Donald and Methven out for good and be more happy to spend, it's pretty likely we could compete financially whilst also improving the academy, should be more than capable of competing.

In terms of tactics and that, Ainsworth got Wycombe up by hoofing the ball in the air until it comes back down with snow on it. Again, it's about getting to the championship and worrying about it when we're there, but tbf I've watched a few championship games and it's hardly like a managerial, tactical masterclass. I think the changes in football are being vastly overstated
 
The Rolls Royce said:
True. It just feels like a hail Mary "fuck it why not" kind of a singing. A gamble that may pay off if the stars align the way we want them to, not the most logical, efficient way of getting ourselves promoted.
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True, but we've continuously failed at both promotion from L1 and in our history the play-offs in any form. Keane is one of a few who could galvanise us over the short term to go through either way of getting out of L1, What do we have to lose?
 
acton villa said:
i did a day on the latest Skybet commercial. Roy was a good laugh and took Micah Richard's jokes about United with good humour.
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This is what Danny Collins said -“what you don’t see with Roy Keane is the other side -his dry sense of humor “
“He lets the lads have a few beers and relax but when it comes to work time ( training and games ) he’s very focused “
He went on to add that if players are late for training ect he gets annoyed and will call them out on it and “ rightly so “ as Danny put it
If you are turning up on time and someone is late regularly in any walk of life that needs sorting but particularly when you only train for an hour and a half
Danny is one person I would really trust with his insight
 
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herra soul mob said:
exactly, howe was first choice and klopp and guardiola all rolled into one.
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Aye. Media saying some SAFC players complaining to Speakman about Johnson’s sacking, though not a player named or a quote in sight. Pathetic journalism.

Now Roy Keane’s this, that and the other whilst still not a word written about the horrendous, despotic, Khashoggi disappearing regime that own NUFC.
 
Breamish Valley said:
This is what Danny Collins said -“what you don’t see with Roy Keane is the other side -his dry sense of humor “
“He lets the lads have a few beers and relax but when it comes to work time ( training and games ) he’s very focused “
He went in to add that of players are late for training ect he gets annoyed and will call them out on it and “ rightly so “ as Danny put it
If you are turning up on time and someone is late regularly in any walk of life that needs sorting but particularly when you only train for an hour and a half
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Nice post mate.
 
The Rolls Royce said:
I want to be positive about this, and will enjoy the initial euphoria. But there's just part of me that feels like this isn't a great idea.

First of all, I feel that part of Keane's original success with us 14 years ago was to do with the fact he was managing players he had played with, or against, or even just who were professionals during the time he played. Not that current day players don't respect him, but I feel the 2008 players would have a better understanding of who Keane is and therefore deal with his personality better. Not to mention rightly or wrongly, modern players do tend to need a lighter touch. Perhaps Keane will adapt his style. I'm not sure.

Next of all, financially the game itself has changed so much. In 2008, we got promoted from the Championship with a spend of around 8million iirc, at the time one of the biggest spenders in the division. Nowadays teams are spending tens of millions and failing to get close. Granted COVID and situations like Derby and Sheff Wed should dissuade that behaviour somewhat. The point is we don't have the financial clout to cover up any managerial weaknesses Keane may have.

The game is also different tactically, I don't think you can get away with just motivating a team up the league anymore. There's a much greater focus on tactics and data than ever before, and again I have no idea how well Keane would adapt to that.

If he is the new manager I will support him, and I am ready to be proven totally wrong but it just feels like an appeal to emotion not logic.
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The tactics argument is ridiculous man.

Have you been watching us in this league with your eyes shut for the last 4 years? You think he'd be outwitted by the likes of Gareth ainsworth?
 
I'd be more conflicted about the appointment if the alternative was a highly talented coach, even one I'd never heard of, like how Blackpool found Critchley and MK Dons found Manning. I also think it's a bit strange given the new structure etc that we didn't seem to have any in mind.

But if the choice is between Keane and the names mentioned, like Grant McCann, it's a real no-brainer tbh if he wants the job.
 
walesie said:
The tactics argument is ridiculous man.

Have you been watching us in this league with your eyes shut for the last 4 years? You think he'd be outwitted by the likes of Gareth ainsworth?
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I know Keane is no mug tactically but I do think his motivational skills at the time were a huge part of our promotion push. Our goal is to get promotion, or do as much as we can to try and get promotion. I still don't know how Keane addresses those goals.
 
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