Roy Keane a pariah?

[jcrossan]

Roy left us better than he found us.

If every manager did that we'd be happy

 

[Mainze]

Got us up, kept us up, Mag Slayer (after years of waiting), great away days, hope and dreams, memories that will last forever.

I liked him.

 

[chopsfc007]

Got us up, kept us up, Mag Slayer (after years of waiting), great away days, hope and dreams, memories that will last forever.

I liked him.

agreed even if he did spend shit loads doing it

 

[Mrjardine]

I can't see how bringing Gordon into it so much backs your argument up. He got incredibly unlucky with injuries before potentially his best years.

I wasn't intentionally bringing up Gordon in that post just pointing out how a manager will be fully aware of the implications of green lighting deals will have on future targets.

When Keane came in we were bottom of the Championship man! Nil points. Utter disarray.

After a handful of games!!
We had been hovering round the bottom end of what was then the first division for almost 5 seasons man. Keane left is in the Prem league relegation zone (Bruce and oneil didn't ) having spent a fortune on a lot of very poor players then ups sticks because his boss quite rightly wants to know what's going on? Oh and he then decides to drag us through the courts for good measure.

 

[old git two]

I wasn't intentionally bringing up Gordon in that post just pointing out how a manager will be fully aware of the implications of green lighting deals will have on future targets.

After a handful of games!!
We had been hovering round the bottom end of what was then the first division for almost 5 seasons man. Keane left is in the Prem league relegation zone (Bruce and oneil didn't ) having spent a fortune on a lot of very poor players then ups sticks because his boss quite rightly wants to know what's going on? Oh and he then decides to drag us through the courts for good measure.[/QUOTE]

That was disappointing. But Managers are as bad as players.
Contracts have to be paid up.
At one time Souness was getting paid 3 wages per month off Liverpool, Galatasaray and Southampton[/QUOTE]

 

[Pepe]

Did an outstanding job.

Some of the signings and subsequent wages were not the best but there is a theme there.

 

[toosb]

Perhaps it's a financial era the club are still struggling to move on from
though.

No guarantee we'd even be in the PL without him. We were heading the other way.

 

[Patch Lafayette]

It's the managers job to ask for money. It's the Board of Directors job to say no. Ellis Short saw a culture of managers asking and the board agreeing so he's fought to reverse that process. And won... For once I think we have a manager with a real vision and hopefully the intelligence and persuasive skills to implement a recruitment strategy which fits our particular financial situation. I think people forget that we haven't always had a billionaire owner or an 'in it for the craic' bunch of irish entrepreneurs! I'd like to see Short be a bit more free with the cash but not to the extent that the long term future of the club is in jeopardy...

 

[old git two]

No guarantee we'd even be in the PL without him. We were heading the other way.

Two occasion when I believed we were heading into the third tier of English Football and escaped.
First time Reid came in and turned it around
Second time Keane salvaged the situation.
We were in total free fall when Roy arrived

 

[rentaghost]

No guarantee we'd even be in the PL without him. We were heading the other way.

I doubt it like. The astronomical finance was in place for someone else if not Keane - getting up that season was a cracking achievement but if any manager couldn't get promoted in two years with that financial backing then they would be doing a pretty awful job. From promotion onwards he did a poor job given the once in a generation finance he had at his disposal.

 

[toosb]

I doubt it like. The astronomical finance was in place for someone else if not Keane - getting up that season was a cracking achievement but if any manager couldn't get promoted in two years with that financial backing then they would be doing a pretty awful job. From promotion onwards he did a poor job given the once in a generation finance he had at his disposal.

We have a good record of returning quickly since the mid 90s. But it wasn't always like that. 6 years was about par before then.
Lots of clubs have had money when relegated and went the other way.

We were awful. Anyone who saw us at Southend and Bury in 2006 would know that.

And to say he did an awful job after promotion is silly. In 2003 and 2006 combined we achieved 34 points in total.
I don't know anyone who was confident of surviving in 2007-08. The previous two years had damaged everyone connected with the club.

He wasn't and never will be a "great" manager. But he did a superb job for us in the main.

It was time to go when he did though. I was in denial at the time but it was for the best.

 

[StripedPaddy]

A chap posted on here the other day a really good link regarding our expenditure since our return to the promised land.
Really didn't make pretty reading for the Roy Keane fans mind. Over 60m spent in two seasons with very little coming back in.
Is this perhaps the reason we find ourselves in the position we do in regards to the apparent prudence being shown in the market?
I appreciate the job he done in getting us up when on our knees but his devil may care attitude towards the club I believe cost us our one big chance to actually make some decent strides in the top flight.
That level of financing is unprecedented at our club. Fat brucey seems to cop the majority of flak and he isn't blameless but I think Keane gets a free ride from our fans and his reign needs to be scrutinised further I believe.

Have a lie down, my friend and find someone else to blame.

 

[JW1973]

done very well did Keane when he was here, lost it abit near the end mind which was a shame :'( however if he had got it right would have stayed another couple seasons at least as from what I read was happy and wanted to build here. However see how he does as a number 2 at Villa

 

[Fetch Fletch]

clean shaven Keane = good
beardy Keane = bad

 

[rentaghost]

We have a good record of returning quickly since the mid 90s. But it wasn't always like that. 6 years was about par before then.
Lots of clubs have had money when relegated and went the other way.

We were awful. Anyone who saw us at Southend and Bury in 2006 would know that.

And to say he did an awful job after promotion is silly. In 2003 and 2006 combined we achieved 34 points in total.
I don't know anyone who was confident of surviving in 2007-08. The previous two years had damaged everyone connected with the club.

He wasn't and never will be a "great" manager. But he did a superb job for us in the main.

It was time to go when he did though. I was in denial at the time but it was for the best.

With the purchases he made that summer that's a fair point but for the money he had available he should have bought far better. I'm sure under Keane we were the 3rd biggest net spenders in the premier league and he left us in the relegation zone. I'm not sure how describing that as awful is silly mind. He did a hideous job from promotion onwards when you take into account the money he had available to him.

Look at Bruce at Hull on a quarter of the spend

 

[Top Of The Goths]

we had no choice but spend 12 m on tainio and chimbonda?
8.5m on anton
4.5 on prmacrock mccartney
2m + each on halford,macshane,healy
stoke came up the same time and didn't spend anywhere near what we spent getting promoted and spent bugger all in comparison in the 2 years after
rk is the emperors new clothes. A long line of fine player..dud manager

Did they?

Dave Kitson - £5,500,000
Seyi Olofinjana - £3,000,000
Amdy Faye - undisclosed from Charlton Athletic
Abdoulaye Faye - £2,250,000
Andrew Davies - undisclosed
brahima Sonko - £2,000,000
Danny Higginbotham - undisclosed f
Tom Soares - £1,250,000 from Crystal Palace (fee could rise to £2,000,000)
Michael Tonge - £2,000,000
Matthew Etherington - undisclosed
James Beattie - fee could rise to £3,500,000
Dean Whitehead - £3,000,000
Robert Huth - £5,000,000
Tuncay Sanli - £5,000,000
Diego Arismendi - €5,000,000
Danny Collins - £2,750,000
Asmir Begovic - £3,250,000

How much did they get back from that lot? Far far less than we did for ours. I'm not denying we overspent but 1, we had to and 2, Roy wasn't the one who negotiated the finances

 

[Fetch Fletch]

I'm pretty sure those citing Gordon would be wrong to 'blame' Keane. I believe it was Quinn who wanted him, and was quoted as saying we would get a keeper as good as Monty before anything came about.

 

[rentaghost]

We have a good record of returning quickly since the mid 90s. But it wasn't always like that. 6 years was about par before then.
Lots of clubs have had money when relegated and went the other way.

We were awful. Anyone who saw us at Southend and Bury in 2006 would know that.

And to say he did an awful job after promotion is silly. In 2003 and 2006 combined we achieved 34 points in total.
I don't know anyone who was confident of surviving in 2007-08. The previous two years had damaged everyone connected with the club.

He wasn't and never will be a "great" manager. But he did a superb job for us in the main.

It was time to go when he did though. I was in denial at the time but it was for the best.

Imagine if Keane had done a Clive Clarke on promotion and had to be replaced. We get a new manager in and give him the neck end of 80 million to spend on players half of that in the first summer window. Less than a season and a half later you lose 4-1 at home to Bolton, the manager selects a goalkeeper with a broken foot, the captain is getting booed every time he touches the ball and we drop into the bottom three. You would describe that as a decent job?

 

[ir35]

See I don't buy into this whole needing to convince players to join mind. Comes down to finance at end of day (see bent and Gyan) to tempt a player not club status. Out of all that money spent the only one we got any sort of return on was Kenwyne. That's a desperately poor return mind.


Perhaps it's a financial era the club are still struggling to move on from
though.

There's no perhaps about it.

 

[toosb]

With the purchases he made that summer that's a fair point but for the money he had available he should have bought far better. I'm sure under Keane we were the 3rd biggest net spenders in the premier league and he left us in the relegation zone. I'm not sure how describing that as awful is silly mind. He did a hideous job from promotion onwards when you take into account the money he had available to him.

Look at Bruce at Hull on a quarter of the spend

You just don't like Roy

Imagine if Keane had done a Clive Clarke on promotion and had to be replaced. We get a new manager in and give him the neck end of 80 million to spend on players half of that in the first summer window. Less than a season and a half later you lose 4-1 at home to Bolton, the manager selects a goalkeeper with a broken foot, the captain is getting booed every time he touches the ball and we drop into the bottom three. You would describe that as a decent job?