Reece James leaving by all accounts.

West_Winger said:
So with Oviedo leaving as well this leaves us with one left back in Hume as well as all the other positions we need to fill, yet people think this is good news.

Also what exactly are Doncaster offering that we aren’t seeing as we’re allegedly aiming for 100 points next season.
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A team that has no chance of 100 points?

If that is our aim then players like James will not aid our cause.
 


kildaremackem said:
it is-if he is seen as competing for a first team place-ie if he is somehting more than third choice..but third choice full backs who are 2 1 years old and good enough to be third chocie in keague one are not going to be hard to come by..so i would want him better than that to get a contract-he may well be.
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He is definitely competing for a first team place. I think Oviedo will go and now James has gone it puts him in pole position. However it leaves us in a bit of a tricky position we will have to sign at least one left back. Given the pedigree of Oviedo and James (won the league the year before) are we likely to get better?
 
Pepe said:
A team that has no chance of 100 points?

If that is our aim then players like James will not aid our cause.
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reece james was first choice for a team that got 98 points in this league..he isnt part of the problem..

sksk3021 said:
He is definitely competing for a first team place. I think Oviedo will go and now James has gone it puts him in pole position. However it leaves us in a bit of a tricky position we will have to sign at least one left back. Given the pedigree of Oviedo and James (won the league the year before) are we likely to get better?
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thats my point-if hume is first chocie then we need backup-dont need to be better..if hume is second choice-well we wont get better than oviedo but can get the leel james is at..we had five promotion winners in that team last year and people on here call each of them shite and not good enogh every day..
 
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kildaremackem said:
reece james was first choice for a team that got 98 points in this league..he isnt part of the problem..


thats my point-if hume is first chocie then we need backup-dont need to be better..if hume is second choice-well we wont get better than oviedo but can get the leel james is at..we had five promotion winners in that team last year and people on here call each of them shite and not good enogh every day..
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He isn’t very good.
 
kildaremackem said:
reece james was first choice for a team that got 98 points in this league..he isnt part of the problem..


thats my point-if hume is first chocie then we need backup-dont need to be better..if hume is second choice-well we wont get better than oviedo but can get the leel james is at..we had five promotion winners in that team last year and people on here call each of them shite and not good enogh every day..
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Surely that makes us weaker than this season if Hume is now first choice and we have worse as back up than James and Oviedo.
 
sksk3021 said:
Surely that makes us weaker than this season if Hume is now first choice and we have worse as back up than James and Oviedo.
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weaker in that position yes..but we had more strength than we needed there..also it comes down to-is hume worse than james? three league one standard plsters in one position is wasre of money when we dont nescessarily have one league one standard player in certain other spots..
 
Perryqhill said:
The team fell apart after playing a large amount of games in quick succession, which directly co-incided with McGeady's injury they were noticeably knackered against Coventry, it was pretty obvious to anyone. It did not directly co-incide with Oviedo coming back in.

We couldn't score goals as often and didn't have the same attacking outlet without McGeady. It led to us scoring less frequently and sitting back more as we couldn't get out as easily and didn't have enough to trouble the opposition often enough.

Oviedo came back into the side against Rochdale when it was 1-1 and we went onto win, he played a third of the game. Hume played in the game against Southend and we got beat there too conceding two without Oviedo, just as we'd conceded two in James last game.

Based on their last five games last season (given Hume barely played late on):

James conceded 5 goals
Hume conceded 6 goals
Oviedo conceded 3 goals

Based on Oviedo and James last ten games:

James: 10 goals conceded
Oviedo: 15 goals conceded

The Coventry game was a freak result. If you look back the entirely of last season we only conceded more than 1 goal with Oviedo in the side 7 times. With James it was 7 times also. In the games where we conceded more than one goal:

Oviedo: Peterborough, Burton, Walsall (subbed off 49mins), Barnsley (89th min sub), Coventry, Fleetwood, Charlton
James: Sheff Wed, Peterborough(70th min sub), Walsall, Barnsley, Accrington, Gillingham, Portsmouth

Again In terms of minutes on the pitch or quality of opposition there's nothing to back up what you say and seperate them statistically and defensively. Statistically at any point during the season what you're saying about the defence falling apart when Oviedo returned isn't backed up.

Putting our dodgy period down to James being out is pure madness, seriously.
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It's not all down to James injury but it affected us. There is never a sole reason.

We had to go with a bairn then resort to Oviedo who's been on the beach for the best part of 3 years and had been dropped to third choice up till that point.

We had quite a consistent defence until then with O'Nien Baldwin and Flanagan (although Dunn played a few just prior) then James got injured and we start changing the defence around every game to try and counteract it.

In the last 9 games after the playoff final we fielded 5 different defences conceding 13 and until the playoffs when we played far to deep to support the defence they were all over the place.

In the 9 previous we fielded 3. 2 of those were due to James being injured and the other was due to Flanagan being injured. Conceding 8

James get way too much criticism on here. He was decent overall. Certainly the best left back.
 
Perryqhill said:
You judge them on the pitch, not against their wages. Oviedo is superior to James, you're now having to back track to validate your comment on wages and suggest that Oviedo isn't contributing where before you were saying (which I disagreed with) there was little difference between them.
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On the pitch Oviedo contributed very little and hasn't since his arrival. His wages simply exacerbate that fact.
 

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