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Rafael Benítez

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10 Gary Rowells said:
What I was saying was whatever Benitez improved he ultimately failed. He had 10 games, Advocaat had 9 games and Di Canio had 8 games. Advocaat inherited us in a far worse position than Newcastle were and in both cases Newcastle had far better players than we had. I understand that Newcastle want Benitez as he seems to wield a bit of influence but so far he ain't done a good job - he failed in what he was brought in to do and many other managers have succeeded in such circumstances with poorer resources at their disposal. We wanted to keep Advocaat because against the odds he saved us, not because of any past record and we were wrong. To me, with Newcastle, it's the perennial desire to be seen as a 'big club' - in the past the likes of Allardyce, Pardew and Hughton were never seen as good enough for Newcastle but if someone who has managed Real Madrid and Inter Milan (regardless of how he did there) then the Mags see it as 'a good fit'.
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He wasn't successful in keeping us up, but I'm not blaming the firefighter for some arsehole burning my house down.

The Advocaat thing is wheeled out time and again and it's really silly. Different circumstances, different league situations, different team mentalities, different everything to be honest.

The last bit is projection, you do this to distance yourself from your rivals. There needs to be something different and unpalatable, because then it's easy to hate them, even if it's mostly made up. Common practise in the armed forces.

For example, nobody wanted Hughton out, we were happy with the football, his demeanour and his professionalism. But Newcastle fans hate all southerners, right? That's what Talksport says...
 

Even Luke I'm an Orient and not a Mag supporter Edwards says in this that one of the most important things in his decision making was because he didn't get an offer from a premier league club :lol:



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nandos sonic sauce said:
That last game of the season has totally put cling film over the massive cracks at that club. I think Rafa (League) Beneathus is gonna get a shock. I'm not saying they won't be up there.I think they will, but i don't think they will run away with it. By saying be up there,i mean among the top 8 or so going for the playoff positions. Rafa was always better at european 2 legged tactics. The blood and thunder of the championship twice a week won't suit a lot of them
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He's, essentially, a defensively minded manager who could well have the Mag supporters tearing their hair out with his negative tactics.
 
TerrysChippie said:
Nur marra, way too old for me. Also i am good drinking mates with her grandson Grits, (works for local council - highways), at the bar opposite, (Geralds, was ran by Gerald, who posted here as Gatesheed, who IMHO etc etc etc).
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Don't you dare etc etc stuff. It's like Elaine yada yadaing sex.
 
The Fish said:
He wasn't successful in keeping us up, but I'm not blaming the firefighter for some arsehole burning my house down.

The Advocaat thing is wheeled out time and again and it's really silly. Different circumstances, different league situations, different team mentalities, different everything to be honest.

The last bit is projection, you do this to distance yourself from your rivals. There needs to be something different and unpalatable, because then it's easy to hate them, even if it's mostly made up. Common practise in the armed forces.

For example, nobody wanted Hughton out, we were happy with the football, his demeanour and his professionalism. But Newcastle fans hate all southerners, right? That's what Talksport says...
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Utter shite.

We're in the PL next season, have a manager who has made a drastic improvement to our performances and signed some good players and the most you'll hear our fans claiming is they hope we have a boring mid-table finish.

You got relegated, failing to beat three of the bottom four and apparently your superstar manager has you nailed on for CL qualification the year after next. I've heard/read it from several, not just one or two nutters.

It's also the reason the nation laughs when you get relegated, that's never happened to us. Your lot are absolutely unbelievable/unbearable.
 
The Fish said:
I've addressed this line a lot on here. Benitez GpG is better than Di Canio, Allardyce and only nominally worse than Advocaat. But in isolation that doesn't tell the whole story, about what Allardyce inherited, what the 15/16 league was like. But I fear you're underestimating the size of the job Benitez took on.

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I think that if money was the only motivator he'd have fucked off to Saudi Arabia, or China, or Russia and swam in his money pile, Scrooge McDuck style.
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I think you're talking bollocks.
 
The Fish said:
Don't really understand this line about Benitez struggling because he's not managed in the Championship before. He sets his side up to be difficult to break down, to be compact and patient. It's not like he's Arsene Wenger, trying to play neat little passing triangles, apt to be bullied off the ball by big scary centre halves from Leeds.
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There is nothing about the type of football played in the Championship that should bother him particularly, there are in fact a fair range of styles played there.

The problem might come with the relentless nature of the league. Eight games more doesn't sound much but every player and manager who has ever operated there always remark on the toll it takes. It might not bother him at all, or any of the players, but it might.

There is also the fact that he and his team will be , along with Villa, the team to beat, home and away. A fair few of these games will feel like cup ties, held at smaller grounds than the two teams are used to. This has taken a few teams by surprise before, especially if the attitude is not absolutely bang on.

Promotion is rarely easy. Usually because if you drop it is because the team is little or not at all better than the top end of the Championship; three teams almost never go back up and three teams almost never go straight back down.


It will all turn , as usual, on recruitment as that team looks to lack players who can handle pressure.

I'm bored and connected to tinternet at work.
 
The Fish said:
He wasn't successful in keeping us up, but I'm not blaming the firefighter for some arsehole burning my house down.

The Advocaat thing is wheeled out time and again and it's really silly. Different circumstances, different league situations, different team mentalities, different everything to be honest.

The last bit is projection, you do this to distance yourself from your rivals. There needs to be something different and unpalatable, because then it's easy to hate them, even if it's mostly made up. Common practise in the armed forces.

For example, nobody wanted Hughton out, we were happy with the football, his demeanour and his professionalism. But Newcastle fans hate all southerners, right? That's what Talksport says...
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Fatty had 9 games to save your £100m squad and fooked it up, shouts a lot on the touch line and u mugs confuse that with ability, thick as fookin mince....

Did u gob on Hughton as well?

Billy2Sheds said:
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By Bong Eye?
 
samsafc said:
What other motivators is there like? :neutral:
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This will be fun;

Newcastle should be an easy club to get right. They've got the resources, infrastructure and global "brand" already. With the right approach and the right support from the moneymen, Benitez should be able to get us back into the Premier League, establish us as a stable club once more and make more of a go of the cups than we have done in the past 9 years. He can build a legacy, something that he'd probably not have license to do at other clubs.

The term sleeping giant is tossed around a lot and for clubs like Newcastle and Villa (and yes, yourselves) it's mismanagement rather than a lack of potential that's stopped them from waking up. You'll know yourselves that the wrong decision can wipe any progress you were making quicker than you can blink. We had a decent side, but rather than strengthen and turn a one off 5th into a consistent 7-8th, they fucked it up and turned a one off 5th into a consistent 15-18th.
 
The Fish said:
I've addressed this line a lot on here. Benitez GpG is better than Di Canio, Allardyce and only nominally worse than Advocaat. But in isolation that doesn't tell the whole story, about what Allardyce inherited, what the 15/16 league was like. But I fear you're underestimating the size of the job Benitez took on.

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I think that if money was the only motivator he'd have fucked off to Saudi Arabia, or China, or Russia and swam in his money pile, Scrooge McDuck style.
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The trouble with those stats is that if you compare points per game over the same 10 opponents then McClaren actually got 1.1 ppg. The 10 games of Benitez at 1.3 ppg could easily have dropped below 1 over the 18 additional games played. The ppg when compared over different lengths or against different opponents is meaningless.
 
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