Mr David
Striker
The defending was comical from them, mind you Sissoko's dive was a disgrace and knocked the stuffing out of them...
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Rafael Benítez
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The Fish
Winger
I don't follow. McClaren had 2 windows and the complete backing of the board. McClaren had his own backroom team, his players and at great expense. Rafa had McClaren's players, and 10 games to undo the damage Tufty inflicted.But you're continually blaming McClaren for his failure to do what he was brought in to do at Newcastle
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Marcus Aurelius
Guest
Point I'm making is I don't think Rafa is necessarily your answer. Illogical emotional tidal wave driving his appointment. I'd be more concerned about you coming straight back with someone like Nigel Pearson in charge
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Reiver
Guest
You're saying Benitez should be given credit for winning a cup with another manager's team but not the blame with Newcastle.
The Fish
Winger
Hope and expectation are different things. Plenty people wanted Spurs to Spurs it up, but I can't imagine a single soul was expecting Newcastle United to put 5 past them.
Yeah it was hilariously bad, but we should never have been allowed out of our half. They lost that game.
Mr David
Striker
They pushed forward and it was a good run that got them on the counter, 2-1 with 15 minutes to go against 10 men I'm not sure you would have won 5-1.
Sneech
Striker
Not a dive according to the mag at work, Sisserker was 'taken out' by two Spurs players.
Mr David
Striker
The deluded fat bald prick.
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Deleted member 6830
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Of course there is no guarantee, but you name me 2 teams that will keep them out of the automatic promotion slots.
Then name me another 4 teams that will keep them out of the play off slots.
The Chship is shite man - the play off games are proving this.
Look at who Hull had upfront - Hernandez and Elmo.
Brighton had Baldock and some lad on loan from Man Utd.
Derby had Martin and that Villa reject Weiman.
Sheff Wed had Hooper and Forestieri.
Feck me, if thats the standard, the scum or Villa could finish miles and miles ahead with record points totals.
sima-hebburn
Striker
waiting for a better team to come along
Here is the latest from the Press Association on Rafa Benitez’s future. Wait could go into NEXT week....
Newcastle’s wait for Rafael Benitez to give them an answer could extend into next week, Press Association Sport understands.
The 56-year-old is making all the right noises as he edges towards opting to stay at St James’ Park and lead the fight for promotion back to the Barclays Premier League, after coming up short in his 10-game mission to spare the club from the drop.
However, despite his interest in what is on the table after holding talks with owner Mike Ashley and managing director Lee Charnley over the last week, the door remains open for another opportunity to come his way.
Benitez, who has been overwhelmed by a swell of public support, is understood to have sought a series of assurances in those talks and has been encouraged by what he has heard in response, to the point where he has already cast a glance over a series of potential transfer targets.
But there was an acceptance on his arrival that the break-clause negotiated in his three-year contract would almost certainly be activated in the event of relegation and while club officials remain cautiously optimistic, formal agreement is yet to be reached and discussions are ongoing.
In the circumstances, the Magpies will not rush the Spaniard for an answer and risk forcing his hand in the wrong direction, but will hope their willingness to give him as much as they can of what he wants will prove decisive.
Ashley and Charnley are in the process of analysing exactly what went wrong last season - and that cannot be pretty, with Benitez’s appointment in the first place the result of failures both in the boardroom and on the pitch.
But it appears Charnley will be given the chance to right the wrongs of a dreadful 18 months or so since Alan Pardew’s departure threw the club into a tailspin from which it has never regained control.
Should Benitez agree to remain at the helm, Newcastle will start afresh having abandoned the head coach model and returned control to the manager, although reports of chief scout Graham Carr’s impending departure are yet to be confirmed.
It is inevitable that some of the bigger names within the squad will leave, either of their own volition or in an effort to balance the books and fund a rebuilding exercise, but there is a belief on Tyneside that the retention of the bulk of the better players, coupled with astute additions, could provide the platform for an immediate return to the big time.
That is exactly what happened seven years ago after the club slipped out of the top flight, although on that occasion, caretaker Chris Hughton was left reluctantly holding the baby and not a manager with an international reputation and proven track record for winning trophies.
Here is the latest from the Press Association on Rafa Benitez’s future. Wait could go into NEXT week....
Newcastle’s wait for Rafael Benitez to give them an answer could extend into next week, Press Association Sport understands.
The 56-year-old is making all the right noises as he edges towards opting to stay at St James’ Park and lead the fight for promotion back to the Barclays Premier League, after coming up short in his 10-game mission to spare the club from the drop.
However, despite his interest in what is on the table after holding talks with owner Mike Ashley and managing director Lee Charnley over the last week, the door remains open for another opportunity to come his way.
Benitez, who has been overwhelmed by a swell of public support, is understood to have sought a series of assurances in those talks and has been encouraged by what he has heard in response, to the point where he has already cast a glance over a series of potential transfer targets.
But there was an acceptance on his arrival that the break-clause negotiated in his three-year contract would almost certainly be activated in the event of relegation and while club officials remain cautiously optimistic, formal agreement is yet to be reached and discussions are ongoing.
In the circumstances, the Magpies will not rush the Spaniard for an answer and risk forcing his hand in the wrong direction, but will hope their willingness to give him as much as they can of what he wants will prove decisive.
Ashley and Charnley are in the process of analysing exactly what went wrong last season - and that cannot be pretty, with Benitez’s appointment in the first place the result of failures both in the boardroom and on the pitch.
But it appears Charnley will be given the chance to right the wrongs of a dreadful 18 months or so since Alan Pardew’s departure threw the club into a tailspin from which it has never regained control.
Should Benitez agree to remain at the helm, Newcastle will start afresh having abandoned the head coach model and returned control to the manager, although reports of chief scout Graham Carr’s impending departure are yet to be confirmed.
It is inevitable that some of the bigger names within the squad will leave, either of their own volition or in an effort to balance the books and fund a rebuilding exercise, but there is a belief on Tyneside that the retention of the bulk of the better players, coupled with astute additions, could provide the platform for an immediate return to the big time.
That is exactly what happened seven years ago after the club slipped out of the top flight, although on that occasion, caretaker Chris Hughton was left reluctantly holding the baby and not a manager with an international reputation and proven track record for winning trophies.
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Reiver
Guest
You were talking about 'the whole country' expecting something ........ typical Newcastle thinking everyone is bothered about poor clubs at the bottom.
BTW, you were saying, 'You're saying Benitez should be given credit for winning a cup with another manager's team but not the blame with Newcastle.'
Do you follow now?
The Fish
Winger
As has been said elsewhere, John Carver could probably get this squad back up. The Championship is nowhere near as good as is made out on Sky. Competitive, sure, but the teams who come up are usually odds on for relegation and usually one or more of the promoted sides do go straight back down. When Allardyce took over West Ham they came back immediately, when Hughton took charge of us we strolled through the league as well. If you had gone down under Allardyce I'm sure you would have bounced back straight away as well.
Rafa isn't a "Championship" manager, he's better than that. But say we don't get Benitez and instead appoint Warnock, then we bounce straight back, I wouldn't want to risk Old Thumbhead Charnley being in charge of appointing someone to take over when the wheels come off the Warnock Wagon.
Sneech
Striker
I was quite staggered when he came out with this, and retorted that Danny Murphy on match of the day also said it was a dive and a restrospective 3 match ban should follow.
The Mag 'Well he would say that, he used to play for Spurs.............'
The bottom line is, Benitez was brought in with one mission, to stop them from being relegated, he failed, is now another messiah, they want a statue of him, they'll piss the championship, qualify for Europe the season after and all this after failing with his one task!
It seems he's waiting for a better offer and if nothing comes along he'll stay there. The bloke can't fail can he?
It seems he's waiting for a better offer and if nothing comes along he'll stay there. The bloke can't fail can he?
Mr David
Striker
It's unbelievable the self importance they have, they think everyone wanted them to go down because 'we are the big club down the bottom' - that there is why everyone wanted them to go down. deluded fuckers
I was quite staggered when he came out with this, and retorted that Danny Murphy on match of the day also said it was a dive and a restrospective 3 match ban should follow.
The Mag 'Well he would say that, he used to play for Spurs.............'
The Fish
Winger
If you'd wandered into a pub in Swindon and found a football fan and asked them "Spurs are 2nd in the Premier League and need to draw or better to secure it from Arsenal, Newcastle are already relegated... who do you reckon will win?" What do you think his expectations would have been?
You really are a pip.
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Reiver
Guest
If you'd wandered into a pub in Swindon and found a football fan and asked them "Spurs are 2nd in the Premier League and need to draw or better to secure it from Arsenal, Newcastle are already relegated... who do you reckon will win?" What do you think his expectations would have been?
You really are a pip.
You said 'everyone in the country must have expected a collapse'.
The Fish
Winger
Have I? Or have I said that his CV is impressive and he has won cups with his own teams, he's won leagues with his own teams, he deserves credit for that. He deserves less credit for success with teams he's inherited, but still some because he's still navigated a knock out competition to finish the victor. Similarly, he deserves credit for the work done at Newcastle but some criticism for failing to keep us up.
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Reiver
Guest
Eventually ...........
The Fish
Winger
I did. I shall choose my words around you more carefully as it seems you're intent on derailing conversations with pointless semantic pedantry.
Seriously? Is that your win? Will you permit the others to continue their more pertinent line of questioning?- Status
