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Rafa. He's still not happy

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banburysafc said:
'Rafa wants Newcastle to be as good as it possibly could be'.

You'll never understand this but the rest of the country are laughing at your lot mate.
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Do you hope Grayson wants Sunderland to be as good as it possibly could be?
 
banburysafc said:
'Rafa wants Newcastle to be as good as it possibly could be'.

You'll never understand this but the rest of the country are laughing at your lot mate.
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I'm not having a dig here, but gonna try and ask the question in a way that you may see it from the point of view Midds has expressed.
Do you think Sunderland could've done better than not getting 40 points five years in a row? Or would you say fighting relegation every season was Sunderland's level? I think they could. They've certainly got the potential to do that. Potential to be like an Everton or Southampton. I'd say Newcastle have as well. Surely both our clubs can at least try and be better than Stoke or West Brom or West Ham for example. That is the point Midds makes. Benitez as manager wants to do as well as he possibly can. Are Newcastle and Sunderland no longer able to try and be better than Bournemouth and deluded to want to be?
Our respective chairmen have made a series of bad decisions meaning our clubs potential goes untapped. Meanwhile the likes of Southampton or Leicester or Bournemouth do much better, despite each of them clubs playing in the 3rd tier in the last 7 years.
Ashley at Newcastle is happy just to exist in the top flight collecting the cash, not bothered if its 7th or 17th place. Benitez as manager would like to at least have a go and not just make up the numbers.
 
banburysafc said:
It?

Look back at your previous post ffs. I can't even contemplate thinking like that let alone typing it out on a rivals messageboard.
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I'll rephrase. Do you want Grayson to want your football club to be as good as it possibly could be? It's a canny simple question tbh.
 
Perez is f***ing garbage like. They have had a window as bad as ours them fuckers
 
The Situation said:
Washing his hands of any responsibility or blame already.

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'The reality is that the best managers in the Premier League have been there a while and they have been able to spend some money on top-class players, so they have a better squad than we have.

‘So you can be a good manager but lose games because your team is not good enough.’
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first relegation scrap in 20 years?? :confused: has he forgotten about 2015-16?

team's shite - "nowt to do with me"
team's decent - rafalution.

Stinking, horrible, fat, whinging gobshite twats.
 
midds said:
Do you hope Grayson wants Sunderland to be as good as it possibly could be?
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you've just been promoted. Every other club on the face of this planet (including Leeds who've had as much success as you in "recent" years) would be happy with 17th.

That's a crisis on Tyneside though! :rolleyes:
 
Doberman said:
you've just been promoted. Every other club on the face of this planet (including Leeds who've had as much success as you in "recent" years) would be happy with 17th.

That's a crisis on Tyneside though! :rolleyes:
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Wouldn't be happy with 17th. Relieved yes. But that is not a target. Not when teams like Burnley, Watford, Bournemouth have all shown that scrapping for the last survival place isn't a foregone conclusion. Why not try and do better than 17th,or even want to do better than 17th? Why set your ambitions so low?
 
What A Waster said:
Wouldn't be happy with 17th. Relieved yes. But that is not a target. Not when teams like Burnley, Watford, Bournemouth have all shown that scrapping for the last survival place isn't a foregone conclusion. Why not try and do better than 17th,or even want to do better than 17th? Why set your ambitions so low?
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aye but 17th would genuinely be a disaster for that mob. Of course we all want to finish 10th-12th in our first season back but the reality is survival first and foremost and then go from there. What Brighton and Huddersfield would do to stay in the premier league next season. They're in exactly the same position as those fuckers. You wouldn't know it though.
 
What A Waster said:
I'm not having a dig here, but gonna try and ask the question in a way that you may see it from the point of view Midds has expressed.
Do you think Sunderland could've done better than not getting 40 points five years in a row? Or would you say fighting relegation every season was Sunderland's level? I think they could. They've certainly got the potential to do that. Potential to be like an Everton or Southampton. I'd say Newcastle have as well. Surely both our clubs can at least try and be better than Stoke or West Brom or West Ham for example. That is the point Midds makes. Benitez as manager wants to do as well as he possibly can. Are Newcastle and Sunderland no longer able to try and be better than Bournemouth and deluded to want to be?
Our respective chairmen have made a series of bad decisions meaning our clubs potential goes untapped. Meanwhile the likes of Southampton or Leicester or Bournemouth do much better, despite each of them clubs playing in the 3rd tier in the last 7 years.
Ashley at Newcastle is happy just to exist in the top flight collecting the cash, not bothered if its 7th or 17th place. Benitez as manager would like to at least have a go and not just make up the numbers.
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Not aimed at you personally as you're one of the more normal mags on here, but can you not see how much of it comes across to the rest of us? It goes without saying we all want the best for our club and obviously there's tits supporting any team, but your lot are something else in my experience (in general of course). On a par with Liverpool/Celtic but I suppose they have the history to back it up.
 
dangermows said:
Has to sell before he can buy. Got a load of shite they can't get rid of due to high wages.
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This in a nutshell.

What A Waster said:
I'm not having a dig here, but gonna try and ask the question in a way that you may see it from the point of view Midds has expressed.
Do you think Sunderland could've done better than not getting 40 points five years in a row? Or would you say fighting relegation every season was Sunderland's level? I think they could. They've certainly got the potential to do that. Potential to be like an Everton or Southampton. I'd say Newcastle have as well. Surely both our clubs can at least try and be better than Stoke or West Brom or West Ham for example. That is the point Midds makes. Benitez as manager wants to do as well as he possibly can. Are Newcastle and Sunderland no longer able to try and be better than Bournemouth and deluded to want to be?
Our respective chairmen have made a series of bad decisions meaning our clubs potential goes untapped. Meanwhile the likes of Southampton or Leicester or Bournemouth do much better, despite each of them clubs playing in the 3rd tier in the last 7 years.
Ashley at Newcastle is happy just to exist in the top flight collecting the cash, not bothered if its 7th or 17th place. Benitez as manager would like to at least have a go and not just make up the numbers.
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If the owner will not match his ambition what's the point in him staying ?
 
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banburysafc said:
Not aimed at you personally as you're one of the more normal mags on here, but can you not see how much of it comes across to the rest of us? It goes without saying we all want the best for our club and obviously there's tits supporting any team, but your lot are something else in my experience (in general of course). On a par with Liverpool/Celtic but I suppose they have the history to back it up.
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I've said it many times that most fans around the age of 40 and under have been spoiled, and I like to use a quote from the song 'Sit Down' by James; "If I hadn't seen such riches, I could live with being poor".
You lot call them 1992ers, but really any fan from maybe the age of 8 up to maybe 15/16 in 1992, will think that the Keegan era then a couple of cup finals then the Robson era was what our club should be like all the time. That 10 or 12 year spell of doing quite well without winning something was pretty good, but it is a spike in the fortunes of our club, a blip, not how its always been or how it always will be.
To go from almost relegated to division 3,to almost winning the league within 4 years has totally skewed people's thinking.
Its also created an impatience and a sense of entitlement and expectation among our support.

1992 was 25 years ago,so I'd say there's even blokes pushing 50 with grandkids who remember their young days in their 20s loving going tothe match and want, or demand, that feeling back. These are the miserable assholes who sit in silence at the match only opening their trap to moan about a misplaced pass or a forward being offside.

sidneyeric said:
If the owner will not match his ambition what's the point in him staying ?
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That's why it won't last. He could easily get a better job than this..
£5m a year though means he'd likely want to stick it out, don't think he's resigned at any other job he's had, so maybe he'll just keep fighting the owner until he's pushed
 
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What A Waster said:
I've said it many times that most fans around the age of 40 and under have been spoiled, and I like to use a quote from the song 'Sit Down' by James; "If I hadn't seen such riches, I could live with being poor".
You lot call them 1992ers, but really any fan from maybe the age of 8 up to maybe 15/16 in 1992, will think that the Keegan era then a couple of cup finals then the Robson era was what our club should be like all the time. That 10 or 12 year spell of doing quite well without winning something was pretty good, but it is a spike in the fortunes of our club, a blip, not how its always been or how it always will be.
To go from almost relegated to division 3,to almost winning the league within 4 years has totally skewed people's thinking.
Its also created an impatience and a sense of entitlement and expectation among our support.

1992 was 25 years ago,so I'd say there's even blokes pushing 50 with grandkids who remember their young days in their 20s loving going tothe match and want, or demand, that feeling back. These are the miserable assholes who sit in silence at the match only opening their trap to moan about a misplaced pass or a forward being offside.



That's why it won't last. He could easily get a better job than this..
£5m a year though means he'd likely want to stick it out, don't think he's resigned at any other job he's had, so maybe he'll just keep fighting the owner until he's pushed
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If he resigns doesn't Rafa have to fork out £4 million sure I read it somewhere
 
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