Put a flat earthier into space

[Nukehasslefan]

They're not facts they are just observations and musings, what experiments do you have to prove these?

I'm sorry but I can't offer you any more than I just have.

It's only 8000 miles from Argentina to australia in a straight line yet your world you say is over 50000 miles across, that doesn't look correct?

It certainly wouldn't if the living land mass for the known Earth was 50,000 miles across but then again I didn't actually say it was.

 

[Hend79]

Of course, that's how it would seem if you peeled the global model because you would be required to fill in the gaps.
The issue is solved when you realise the model where distances are calculated is 2d, not a globe.

You don't navigate on a globe, you navigate on the level where sea and air are concerned.
The rest is navigation over uneven ground, not spherical.

Its not solved though, you said yourself you have no evidence or proof of the bollocks you are saying. Your thoughts are musings (your own words) so stop with the holier than thou attitude and calling everyone liars.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Many people believe they know different because that's what they saw on a YouTube video.

I agree. Many people.

You seem to be assuming that because it is possible to lie to us, everything told to us is a lie.

No, I'm actually not.
What I am saying is, if it's possible to be lied to then it's possible there could be many more and it comes down to trust or question.
I choose to question and not believe but can accept many things and go with that flow until I find absolute proof of facts or something that offers me a comfortably close acceptance that there could be facts.

Its not solved though, you said yourself you have no evidence or proof of the bollocks you are saying. Your thoughts are musings (your own words) so stop with the holier than thou attitude and calling everyone liars.

My advice to you is to ignore me.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

I agree. Many people.

No, I'm actually not.
What I am saying is, if it's possible to be lied to then it's possible there could be many more and it comes down to trust or question.
I choose to question and not believe but can accept many things and go with that flow until I find absolute proof of facts or something that offers me a comfortably close acceptance that there could be facts.

But given the facts you still refuse to examine them, cant understand them or just refuse to acknowledge they were ever given to you.

Your so called alternative to the global model can not work and you have been given more than enough to consider that absolute fact.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

But given the facts you still refuse to examine them, cant understand them or just refuse to acknowledge they were ever given to you.

If that's what you think then I would suggest not going down that route.

Your so called alternative to the global model can not work and you have been given more than enough to consider that absolute fact.

Fine, it's not a problem for me. You're entitled to think that but understand I don't agree with it.

 

[DaveH]

Of course, that's how it would seem if you peeled the global model because you would be required to fill in the gaps.
The issue is solved when you realise the model where distances are calculated is 2d, not a globe.

You don't navigate on a globe, you navigate on the level where sea and air are concerned.
The rest is navigation over uneven ground, not spherical.

That sounds like a lot of waffle without actually answering the question.

Can you make the accepted distances work on a 2d map? If so then prove it. I've not seen a flat earth map where they do work.

 

[payne]

That sounds like a lot of waffle without actually answering the question.

Can you make the accepted distances work on a 2d map? If so then prove it. I've not seen a flat earth map where they do work.

I don't think he understands. He thinks the distances are the same and it's only an error of how they are attributed, i.e. the lie of it's on a globe over 2d world. He doesn't the actual concept.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

If that's what you think then I would suggest not going down that route.

That's the route of the entire thread. It's a bit late to be advising against it now.

Fine, it's not a problem for me. You're entitled to think that but understand I don't agree with it.

Because ..see above. You disregard the facts in favour of your own fantasy.
That's fine while it stays in your head, but if you want to put it out into the real world and start telling people they are wrong and have been lied to throughout their entire lives then you should expect to be pulled up on it.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

That sounds like a lot of waffle without actually answering the question.

Can you make the accepted distances work on a 2d map? If so then prove it. I've not seen a flat earth map where they do work.

More to the point, can you make them work on a globe?

That's the route of the entire thread. It's a bit late to be advising against it now.

Because ..see above. You disregard the facts in favour of your own fantasy.
That's fine while it stays in your head, but if you want to put it out into the real world and start telling people they are wrong and have been lied to throughout their entire lives then you should expect to be pulled up on it.

I can offer that back to you and it once again becomes teet for tat.

 

[payne]

I can offer that back to you and it once again becomes teet for tat.

I'ts not like. You only believe that because you think you how some sort of reasoned argument instead of the ramblings of a person who's actively brainwashed himself since youtube came out.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

I can offer that back to you and it once again becomes teet for tat.

You can try but you'd make a teet of yourself.

Show me the facts I'm disregarding in favour of fantasy.

Don't lead with water level, there are facts but not in your favour.


oh and you seem to have missed this....
Here's a simple device you could make for yourself if you wished, templates are available online.

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I never knew that central spindle was called a gnomon so maybe this is all an appeal to authority and no longer works but...

If you point it North and set the angle to your own latitude, or put another way, parallel to Earths axis of rotation, two things will happen which you will find difficult (and by difficult I mean impossible) to explain on any version of a flat or orange squeezer Earth, especially one with a carbon arc projector in the middle.

Firstly you will notice that for half of the year, one side of the disk is in shadow, while for the other half of the year the other side is in shade.
Secondly you might notice, weather permitting, that at the equinox both sides are in shade as the Sun will be shining directly along the edge.
Set up correctly this will work anywhere on Earth, so long as it's a globe, tilted, spinning and in orbit around the Sun.

On a related note, put a stick in the ground, or make use of a convenient fence post or something similar. Given a sunny day, you could mark at regular intervals the position of the tip of the sticks shadow. Do this as often as you like and you'll find the shadows tip marks out an arc, except for around the equinox where the shadow tip will mark out a straight line.

Both of these make perfect sense if you are on a slightly tilted and spinning globe in orbit around the sun. They are not possible otherwise.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

You can try but you'd make a teet of yourself.

Show me the facts I'm disregarding in favour of fantasy.

It comes back to the simplest of things. One is water level. It's boring but it kills the globe in an instant.
The rest of the argument is trying to reason as to why water can stay on a globe and this is where fictional gravity and lots of other fictional stuff come in.

It has to go back to basics when people argue about one not understanding something.
The trouble is no one wants to argue this for long because it does get to be impossible to argue for in terms of trying to offer logical reasoning instead of magical fantasies as facts.
But this isn't a problem for those who argue on the back of that story. They, including yourself, are following a set narrative so it's to be expected and I certainly do not think any less of a person because of that.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

By all means fail to read or understand the diagram and everything, but if you can show the last line is incorrect then that would be fun.

 

[payne]

It comes back to the simplest of things. One is water level. It's boring but it kills the globe in an instant.
The rest of the argument is trying to reason as to why water can stay on a globe and this is where fictional gravity and lots of other fictional stuff come in.

It has to go back to basics when people argue about one not understanding something.
The trouble is no one wants to argue this for long because it does get to be impossible to argue for in terms of trying to offer logical reasoning instead of magical fantasies as facts.
But this isn't a problem for those who argue on the back of that story. They, including yourself, are following a set narrative so it's to be expected and I certainly do not think any less of a person because of that.

@The Snockerty Friddle He's basically saying you're stupid and gullible

 

[Nukehasslefan]

@The Snockerty Friddle He's basically saying you're stupid and gullible

I actually find him to be very intelligent as I do with a lot on here.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

It comes back to the simplest of things. One is water level. It's boring but it kills the globe in an instant.

Doh! You went and led with water level!

The rest of the argument is trying to reason as to why water can stay on a globe and this is where fictional gravity and lots of other fictional stuff come in.

No the rest is you doing exactly what you accuse science of doing. You are making up stuff to fit your musings and disregarding anything that goes against you. Like gravity.

It has to go back to basics when people argue about one not understanding something.
The trouble is no one wants to argue this for long because it does get to be impossible to argue for in terms of trying to offer logical reasoning instead of magical fantasies as facts.

But it's very obvious to everyone but you that you are lacking the understanding. That is one of the main reasons why the thread has lasted so long, everyone knows you are wrong (yourself included at times) and it has good comedy value.

But this isn't a problem for those who argue on the back of that story. They, including yourself, are following a set narrative so it's to be expected and I certainly do not think any less of a person because of that.

And you are no more than a parrot repeating phrases and never understanding.
I've lost count of how many times I have explained that what I've said is all visible and verifiable even for you. It's not simply me following a narrative and it's not simply me seeing what I'm told to see.

I actually find him to be very intelligent as I do with a lot on here.

Yet you still insist that I cant use that intelligence to see things for myself.

@The Snockerty Friddle He's basically saying you're stupid and gullible

Well I'm still here replying and still suspect he believes all his shite so that could be the one thing he's got right.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Doh! You went and led with water level!

The easiest and plainest logical way to start and end the globe but the rest of the argument can be interesting for many who may or may not decide to see past the mass indoctrination.

No the rest is you doing exactly what you accuse science of doing. You are making up stuff to fit your musings and disregarding anything that goes against you. Like gravity.

Absolutely. I'm debating by using my own and other people's arguments against the side you're on.
It's only naturally we are going to disagree and give no ground.

But it's very obvious to everyone but you that you are lacking the understanding.

Each to their own thoughts. It changed mine not one iota.
I will definitely alter my mindset when I come across something that offers a fact. None so far but plenty of majority backslapping..

That is one of the main reasons why the thread has lasted so long, everyone knows you are wrong (yourself included at times) and it has good comedy value.

Then you can carry on enjoying the comedy value for as long as it lasts. I'm fine with whatever happens.

And you are no more than a parrot repeating phrases and never understanding.

I agree. I do tend to repeat a lot but then again it's no different to you and others so I have no issue with that.

I've lost count of how many times I have explained that what I've said is all visible and verifiable even for you.

I took in your explanations and I offered mine. Of course, mine is worthless to you because only global will do for you.

It's not simply me following a narrative and it's not simply me seeing what I'm told to see.

Basically, it is but naturally, you are going to argue against that and I fully get why.

Yet you still insist that I cant use that intelligence to see things for myself.

Intelligence is one thing and being duped is another.
Even the most intelligent can be duped so it's never a hit on anyone's intelligence.

 

[Pink Panther]

It comes back to the simplest of things. One is water level. It's boring but it kills the globe in an instant.
The rest of the argument is trying to reason as to why water can stay on a globe and this is where fictional gravity and lots of other fictional stuff come in.

Surely that shite you spouted about stacking would keep water on a globe. So fictional gravity doesn't come into it.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Surely that shite you spouted about stacking would keep water on a globe. So fictional gravity doesn't come into it.

No, stacking would not keep water on a globe.
It would certainly keep it evened out with indentations on Earth with a dome covering.
The spinning globe offers absolutely nothing to keep anything on it other than the magical fantasy story that comes with it.

 

[payne]

No, stacking would not keep water on a globe.
It would certainly keep it evened out with indentations on Earth with a dome covering.
The spinning globe offers absolutely nothing to keep anything on it other than the magical fantasy story that comes with it.

Doesn't state facts!