Put a flat earthier into space

[Nukehasslefan]

They would and they do. Assuming you belive in newtonian physics (you do as per propeller) rockets work anywhere.

And what are Newtonian physics.
Let's go through Newtonian physics and see what's what.
Explain how Newtonian physics allows a rocket to work without atmosphere.

 

[taipeisafc]

Right but you can actually go and see rockets. So they go up from the earth into the sky. They are not supposed. They are.

Or you can build your own rocket and fly it - many people do.

No idea why it has formatted like this

 

[monkeytassle]

And what are Newtonian physics.
Let's go through Newtonian physics and see what's what.
Explain how Newtonian physics allows a rocket to work without atmosphere.

You already know as you said a propeller works.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

You already know as you said a propeller works.

I'm now asking you to tell me why a rocket works with Newtonian physics.
If you can't it's ok.

 

[monkeytassle]

I'm now asking you to tell me why a rocket works with Newtonian physics.
If you can't it's ok.

Same as a propellor. I have a degree in mechanical engineering so am pretty well versed. Why don't you tell me how a rocket is NOT Newtonian physics.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Same as a propellor. I have a degree in mechanical engineering so am pretty well versed. Why don't you tell me how a rocket is NOT Newtonian physics.

Ok so a rocket works the same as a propeller.
So you're saying the rocket pushes against the atmosphere in order to work, right?

 

[DaveH]

The amount of people trying to have a logical conversation with an absolute heed the ball

I know. For weeks we have mocked him saying water level in a bath was the test to see if the earth is a globe and yesterday he tried to make out he never said that and I had put it forward. It is like you can’t click back on previous pages.

He just denies anything that gets too uncomfortable or hints at what he is saying is bollocks, He has resorted into being a confused knot of self-contradictions now.

 

[payne]

I know. For weeks we have mocked him saying water level in a bath was the test to see if the earth is a globe and yesterday he tried to make out he never said that and I had put it forward. It is like you can’t click back on previous pages.

He just denies anything that gets too uncomfortable or hints at what he is saying is bollocks, He has resorted into being a confused knot of self-contradictions now.

But......unhindered

 

[DaveH]

You already know as you said a propeller works.

It is part of the attention thing. He really likes long explanations, to set people homework and then responds with nah bollocks.

There was once I said I’d put effort in to a detailed proof if he promised he would. Off I went, put something forward, full working. ”Nah bollocks” without much reason then his turn was pretty much flibble wibble, done. Followed by screaming. not a globe.

Ok so a rocket works the same as a propeller.
So you're saying the rocket pushes against the atmosphere in order to work, right?

Simple stuff again, it is not rocket science ffs,

 

[Kevj]

My argument is about displacement by any dense mass, not about sitting here throwing out lots of equations as to why one gas sits on a liquid or how much a liquid is under pressure from above liquid.

I could easily just grab all this stuff from the internet and make it appear like I'm throwing out stuff but what purpose does it serve?
I'm explaining it in simple layman's terms as to why rockets do not work in atmosphere and why ships float...etc.

I don't need to play calculations to extremes for what loads and how much volume of this and that is to explain.

But seeing as we generally come to this. Go on hoy up a bunch of figures from the internet just so it looks good from your side.

The calculation is very simple. Just three figures timed to provide an answer.
Not surprisingly, the result of these numbers is measurable. Very. It’s also the basis (among other things) of the metric system which (as I’ve said on this thread previously) is used every day by thousands and thousands of engineers whilst designing buildings, structures, boats, aeroplanes and spaceships. This is because the fundamental principles used in science and engineering have been calculated and checked millions of times and that the car you drive or the house you live in operates as designed.

Now I know you don’t like to commit to anything other than vague conjecture, but I ask again, please provide something that can be checked for validity to support your claims about air and water density as the force which pushed objects down.

 

[ned_werby]

Simple stuff again, it is not rocket science ffs,

Except it is

 

[monkeytassle]

Ok so a rocket works the same as a propeller.
So you're saying the rocket pushes against the atmosphere in order to work, right?

Erm nope.

 

[nahwee]

And how do you tell if water is level?

I can't help you if you don't know the answer to that.

But you can Nukey! because...

It is an answer and I know many people that's proven water to be level and flat.

Refer DaveH to these people, he's been more than helpful giving you information.

Be polite and return the compliment.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Simple stuff again, it is not rocket science ffs,

I agree it is simple stuff. Rockets need an atmosphere in order to work. It basically kills off the space rocket, doesn't it.

The calculation is very simple. Just three figures timed to provide an answer.
Not surprisingly, the result of these numbers is measurable. Very. It’s also the basis (among other things) of the metric system which (as I’ve said on this thread previously) is used every day by thousands and thousands of engineers whilst designing buildings, structures, boats, aeroplanes and spaceships. This is because the fundamental principles used in science and engineering have been calculated and checked millions of times and that the car you drive or the house you live in operates as designed.

Now I know you don’t like to commit to anything other than vague conjecture, but I ask again, please provide something that can be checked for validity to support your claims about air and water density as the force which pushed objects down.

There's lots of things to support it but people like yourself will immediately go to gravity as your explanation and pretend you know how and why it works.

The glass of water and beer mat is a perfect example of water and atmosphere and why density can be overcome if there is little atmospheric push..

Erm nope.

So you think a rocket does not use atmosphere to push against?
Everything you know uses atmosphere in order to function but somehow the rocket doesn't. Really?

You see we all know why this is. It's because if we are told they need atmosphere to work in it immediately kills off space and all the rest of the gunk sold to us as factual storylines.

 

[Nobby]

It's a quite amazing ability to be wrong on so many different subjects.

Then again he thinks Bruce is a decent football manager, so it's not just science he has s flakey grasp of

 

[Kevj]

There's lots of things to support it but people like yourself will immediately go to gravity as your explanation and pretend you know how and why it works.

Show me some. Or one.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Show me some. Or one.

Go and get a glass and a beer mat or similar to cover the glass.
Fill it with water and place the beer mat over it.
Upturn the glass and take your hand away from the beer mat. It stays in place.
The water does not push the beer mat away because atmospheric pressure stops it happening.
Why does it stop it happening?
Because the key to it is what atmospheric pressure is left inside the glass. Too little of it and it cannot push the water out to overcome the atmospheric external resistance to it.

Pretty simple really and shows a reality and also shows gravity to be utter nonsense.

 

[Nobby]

Go and get a glass and a beer mat or similar to cover the glass.
Fill it with water and place the beer mat over it.
Upturn the glass and take your hand away from the beer mat. It stays in place.
The water does not push the beer mat away because atmospheric pressure stops it happening.
Why does it stop it happening?
Because the key to it is what atmospheric pressure is left inside the glass. Too little of it and it cannot push the water out to overcome the atmospheric external resistance to it.

Pretty simple really and shows a reality and also shows gravity to be utter nonsense.

Wrong again it relies on gravity to work. Initially gravity will mean the paper and water move down and a little water escapes. This causes the air in the glass to expand causing a drop in pressure relative to the atmosphere outside of the glass.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Wrong again it relies on gravity to work.

So you're told but this proves it wrong.

Initially gravity will mean the paper and water move down and a little water escapes. This causes the air in the glass to expand causing a drop in pressure relative to the atmosphere outside of the glass.

What paper?

 

[nahwee]

There was once I said I’d put effort in to a detailed proof if he promised he would. Off I went, put something forward, full working. ”Nah bollocks” without much reason then his turn was pretty much flibble wibble, done. Followed by screaming. not a globe.

Life's certainly become a lot easier for him since he found the 'Dislike' button.