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Put a flat earthier into space

Nukehasslefan said:
There could be all kinds of stuff up in the sky but it's not in space.
The space we're told about is fiction as far as I'm concerned.

I would have no qualms about there being man made objects placed into higher altitude but it would be something like helium/hydrogen filled to sit in that environment.

As for orbiting a spinning ball in space. Not a chance in hell as far as I'm concerned.
Also how often have you changed your so called satellite dish?

Basically what you see the reflection of in the sky. The sun.

It doesn't bring anything into question. They all use atmosphere to work.
A boat uses a propeller against water and atmosphere to balance in that water, called displacement of it. It also uses atmosphere to allow the engine to breathe in order for it to move propellers through that water to push that water away from it to push that boat in the opposite direction.

A plane uses engines or propellers to push air behind it to create a reaction or a crashing of air to push it forward.
The wings cut through the air its pushing through which creates a higher pressure below them than above them and the plane skims that higher pressure as long as it keeps that skimming up.
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Two flaws here.

1) you said the atmospheric displacement would be the thing that kills you if you jumped off something high. That directly contradicts what you are saying about boats using displacement to float.

2) you agree that a propellor uses newtonian physics to make a boat move. Or a plane. Above you contradicted that with the rocket logic.
 

monkeytassle said:
Two flaws here.

1) you said the atmospheric displacement would be the thing that kills you if you jumped off something high.
That directly contradicts what you are saying about boats using displacement to float.
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No it doesn't.
It's all about the dense mass within the environment as to whether displacement of it allows buoyancy or not.
For example: If you put a boat in water assuming it doesn't have a hole in the hull below the water line, it'll be buoyant while displacing the water due to air pressure above allowing that buoyancy.

If you didn't allow that air buoyancy by putting a hole in the hull below the water line then the atmospheric pressure pushes the boat down and the water up through the hole and sinks the boat which is akin to you falling through the air, only slower due to much more density of that water.
monkeytassle said:
2) you agree that a propellor uses newtonian physics to make a boat move. Or a plane. Above you contradicted that with the rocket logic.
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How?
A boat pushes in one direction and moves opposite. Equal and opposite reaction to action.
A rocket does exactly the same thing.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
No it doesn't.
It's all about the dense mass within the environment as to whether displacement of it allows buoyancy or not.
For example: If you put a boat in water assuming it doesn't have a hole in the hull below the water line, it'll be buoyant while displacing the water due to air pressure above allowing that buoyancy.

If you didn't allow that air buoyancy by putting a hole in the hull below the water line then the atmospheric pressure pushes the boat down and the water up through the hole and sinks the boat which is akin to you falling through the air, only slower due to much more density of that water.

How?
A boat pushes in one direction and moves opposite. Equal and opposite reaction to action.
A rocket does exactly the same thing.
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Where do rockets go?
 
Nukehasslefan said:
No it doesn't.
It's all about the dense mass within the environment as to whether displacement of it allows buoyancy or not.
For example: If you put a boat in water assuming it doesn't have a hole in the hull below the water line, it'll be buoyant while displacing the water due to air pressure above allowing that buoyancy.

If you didn't allow that air buoyancy by putting a hole in the hull below the water line then the atmospheric pressure pushes the boat down and the water up through the hole and sinks the boat which is akin to you falling through the air, only slower due to much more density of that water.

How?
A boat pushes in one direction and moves opposite. Equal and opposite reaction to action.
A rocket does exactly the same thing.
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Do you know the accepted formula for calculating pressure in any fluid at a given depth?
 
monkeytassle said:
Right but you can actually go and see rockets. So they go up from the earth into the sky. They are not supposed. They are.
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There’s a point when magic and witchcraft takes over. In modern times when we have cameras both inside and outside the rocket and can be viewed asynchronously, it switchers to CGI before it hits the dome. Far more logical than reality.
Nukehasslefan said:
What are you trying to put forward?
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I’m trying to understand if you have the knowledge to calculate pressure in a fluid. With consistent results and in a way that someone on the other side of the world (intentional) could replicate with both maths and in a similar body of fluid at a given depth.
 
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Kevj said:
I’m trying to understand if you have the knowledge to calculate pressure in a fluid. With consistent results and in a way that someone on the other side of the world (intentional) could replicate with both maths and in a similar body of fluid at a given depth.
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So what are you trying to push?
 
Kevj said:
The method of calculating a pressure at any given depth within a fluid. Your entire argument about the weight of air and water seems to revolve around this.
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My argument is about displacement by any dense mass, not about sitting here throwing out lots of equations as to why one gas sits on a liquid or how much a liquid is under pressure from above liquid.

I could easily just grab all this stuff from the internet and make it appear like I'm throwing out stuff but what purpose does it serve?
I'm explaining it in simple layman's terms as to why rockets do not work in atmosphere and why ships float...etc.

I don't need to play calculations to extremes for what loads and how much volume of this and that is to explain.

But seeing as we generally come to this. Go on hoy up a bunch of figures from the internet just so it looks good from your side.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
My argument is about displacement by any dense mass, not about sitting here throwing out lots of equations as to why one gas sits on a liquid or how much a liquid is under pressure from above liquid.

I could easily just grab all this stuff from the internet and make it appear like I'm throwing out stuff but what purpose does it serve?
I'm explaining it in simple layman's terms as to why rockets do not work in atmosphere and why ships float...etc.

I don't need to play calculations to extremes for what loads and how much volume of this and that is to explain.

But seeing as we generally come to this. Go on hoy up a bunch of figures from the internet just so it looks good from your side.
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I'm sorry rockets don't work in an atmosphere?

Also the atmosphere you may consider as a fluid. Becuase it is. Please show workings
 
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