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Put a flat earthier into space

:D:D:D:D What do you need, a Youtube video of a small child demonstrating exactly what you refuse to understand verbally?

Go to the store. Buy an apple. Tilt it with the stem to the left. Then, without changing your grip on it, move it in a circle in front of you. Notice how the stem stayed to the left?

Good. Now imagine that there's a nice sun within that imaginary circle you just moved it. Was it pointing towards the sun the whole time?

No, it wasn't.

Congratulations. You've reached the level of a mediocre six-year-old in terms of understanding a physical model of planetary motion and the seasons.
I'm well aware of how it's supposed to work and what is handed to us but there's no mechanism for it to work as we're told.

If you spin a ball at an angle, let's say with a stick right through it and you have that north pole stick angled away from the ball (sun) in the centre of a circular table and you keep that north pole stick at that same angle as you move around that table, it stays exactly teh same.

We are told to believe it changes orientation as it spins and rotates around the sun but there's no mechanism for it to do that.
I mean, there's no mechanism for any of it in reality but this is about the stick suddenly shifting from angled outwards to angled inwards towards the sun.


I can’t believe someone is struggling to understand this. Light a fire in your garden and stand facing it. Then imagine a circle going round it. Walk round that circle but keep facing the same way. Half was round you find the fire is warming your back and you can’t see it. It really is that simple.
Get a swing ball and walk around it holding the ball and tell me if the ball changes face towards the pole.
The string will always point to the pole and the underside of the ball that has no attached string will always face away from that swing ball pole.


I suppose where the confusion might come from is if you constructed a model solar system with the earth on a spinning arm with the earth tilted away from the sun. In that scenario, the north pole would always be tilted away. The difference is the earth is not on a fixed solid arm forcing the axis to always face away.
And this is where the problem with it lies.
There's no mechanism/force to have it do what we're told it does.
This thread is like.....
O.P. - I don't believe in planes, no way could they fly.
Entire board - I've flown in one, here's how propulsion works, here's how aerodynamic lift works and here's how navigation works.
O.P. Yeah but ...fruit salad!
Actually it's not. I've also flown in quite a few so I have no qualms about that. This is what I'm talking about with provable stuff.
 
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I'm well aware of how it's supposed to work and what is handed to us but there's no mechanism for it to work as we're told.

If you spin a ball at an angle, let's say with a stick right through it and you have that north pole stick angled away from the ball (sun) in the centre of a circular table and you keep that north pole stick at that same angle as you move around that table, it stays exactly teh same.

We are told to believe it changes orientation as it spins and rotates around the sun but there's no mechanism for it to do that.
I mean, there's no mechanism for any of it in reality but this is about the stick suddenly shifting from angled outwards to angled inwards towards the sun.


Wow. You're so wrong it isn't even funny anymore.

In your top diagram it isn't changing orientation at all. It is facing the same way all the way around. It makes perfect sense to anyone that isn't a complete knacker.

In your bottom diagram you are introducing a 360 degree change in orientation as it makes its way around the orbit, with no mechanism in reality for it do so. Your bottom diagram is doing all the things you've been saying all along - you have introduced a "wobble"; a "flip" from one end of the table to the other and then back again.

In your bottom model your "Earth" is acting like a carousel at the fairground, as though the bottom of the globe were actually attached to the sun by a piece of string and being spun around by it.

That's absolutely not how it works. Why would the bottom of the Earth be anchored to the sun like that but not the top?
Get a swing ball and walk around it holding the ball and tell me if the ball changes face towards the pole.
The string will always point to the pole and the underside of the ball that has no attached string will always face away from that swing ball pole.

Planetary orbits are not swingball. There's no string attaching the planet to the sun, man. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Maths proves a lot of it that's why I was curious if you accepted maths on the ground when you seem to think they make up the numbers to suit the earth being a globe etc.
How do they know the size of a supposed global Earth, they tell us about?
Where's the reference point to gauge?
There's nothing but massive guesswork and model making to fit our basic observations, with so much twisting and turning and added in gobbledygook to fine tune the head scratching stuff.
Special relativity. What's that?
Can anyone explain the reality of it?



Maths isn't open to conjecture or opinion, 2+2=4 and pi is easily proved by doing exercises using it and checking the results by measuring things, same with trigonometry.
It's fine adding up and calculating for reality. Pi is also fine for finding areas of circles but it's no good for finding an area of something that has no reference point in order to do that.
Anyone can hand out numbers or equations for anything that cannot be proven. The issue starts when the anyone tends to be a nobody.
If it's someone that is looked up to or media revered or played out as some expert/authority, then equations then become a reality to those who follow that, even if it's deemed far too complicated for them.
E=mc2. What is that?
People can jump up and shout " you dummy, it's energy equals mass x the speed of light squared.
Special relativity.
Anyone know what it means in any reality?

There's science and scientists. We're all scientists in our own ways.
And then there's the people who pass off stuff as factual but have no proof to offer other than dazzle us with their so called brilliance and baffle us all with their bull****.



But anyway no matter what I say you'll come back with some nonsense about space Maths being different.
Absolutely. If I don't believe in space them I'm hardly going to be championing space maths....right?
Let's face it, he can't cope with the idea of straight lines or the concept of walking around in a circle while facing a single direction.

He'll probably argue that 2+2 actually equals 6 because 2 isn't really 2 it's 3; everyone else is just parroting the story that 2 is 2 that they learned in school.
Nahhh. I can accept lots of stuff.
I will not accept waking around a circle and ending up in a different orientations.
If I walk around a circle with my left foot on the edge of that then I'll expect to complete that circle with my left foot on the edge, just as I started.
If I had a skateboard and sat on that skateboard as I was pushed around a circle as I faced it, I'd expect to be facing it as I finish, even if I was sat back with angled head and shoulders and feet sticking out.


Why?
Because that's a reality.
 
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How do they know the size of a supposed global Earth, they tell us about?
Where's the reference point to gauge?
There's nothing but massive guesswork and model making to fit our basic observations, with so much twisting and turning and added in gobbledygook to fine tune the head scratching stuff.
Special relativity. What's that?
Can anyone explain the reality of it?




It's fine adding up and calculating for reality. Pi is also fine for finding areas of circles but it's no good for finding an area of something that has no reference point in order to do that.
Anyone can hand out numbers or equations for anything that cannot be proven. The issue starts when the anyone tends to be a nobody.
If it's someone that is looked up to or media revered or played out as some expert/authority, then equations then become a reality to those who follow that, even if it's deemed far too complicated for them.
E=mc2. What is that?
People can jump up and shout " you dummy, it's energy equals mass x the speed of light squared.
Special relativity.
Anyone know what it means in any reality?

There's science and scientists. We're all scientists in our own ways.
And then there's the people who pass off stuff as factual but have no proof to offer other than dazzle us with their so called brilliance and baffle us all with their bull****.




Absolutely. If I don't believe in space them I'm hardly going to be championing space maths....right?

Nahhh. I can accept lots of stuff.
I will not accept waking around a circle and ending up in a different orientations.
If I walk around a circle with my left foot on the edge of that then I'll expect to complete that circle with my left foot on the edge, just as I started.
If I had a skateboard and sat on that skateboard as I was pushed around a circle as I faced it, I'd expect to be facing it as I finish, even if I was sat back with angled head and shoulders and feet sticking out.


Why?
Because that's a reality.

Once you've grasped the concept of walking around in a circle with a globe in your hands without changing which way you're facing, then we can think about tackling special relativity.

Let's not run before we can walk in a circle, eh?
 
How do they know the size of a supposed global Earth, they tell us about?
Can anyone explain the reality of it?

E=mc2. What is that?
People can jump up and shout " you dummy, it's energy equals mass x the speed of light squared.
Special relativity.
Anyone know what it means in any reality?

There's science and scientists. We're all scientists in our own ways.
And then there's the people who pass off stuff as factual but have no proof to offer other than dazzle us with their so called brilliance and baffle us all with their bull****.

Absolutely. If I don't believe in space them I'm hardly going to be championing space maths....right?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Basically, I have no idea what any of it means but I'm going to argue against it and when you provide evidence I wont believe it because I can't understand it. Of course I can't admit I don't understand it so I'll call it storytelling and create my own story that makes sense in my head.
 
Get a swing ball and walk around it holding the ball and tell me if the ball changes face towards the pole.
The string will always point to the pole and the underside of the ball that has no attached string will always face away from that swing ball pole.
That is a better analogy than mine. You are absolutely right (no sarcasm this time) a swingball will do that. When you hit a swingball the force is trying to make it fly off but the string keeps one end facing the pole. Like the earth in orbit, there is a force stopping the ball flying off and it goes round in a circular orbit instead. However on a swingball, the focus of this force (applied by the string) is applied to the top of the ball. This keeps the top of the ball facing the poll and creates the scenario you show in the second diagram.

The earth is not tethered by the top. Like anything, the centre of gravity is where the middle of the weight is. Picture a shuttle cock, it has the heavy end so it always falls towards that end, or a skydiver arches their belly to the earth as that is where the human centre of gravity is. The centre of gravity of a sphere is in the physical centre. It is the middle of the earth being tethered to the sun, which means there is no reason for one poll or the other to keep facing the sun.

In your second diagram, the person walking around in the circle is turning themselves at the same rate as they turn in the circle.
 
Wow. You're so wrong it isn't even funny anymore.


Of course I'm wrong, to you and many others.
The reason for that is there to see. The model is on the platter for you.
In your top diagram it isn't changing orientation at all. It is facing the same way all the way around. It makes perfect sense to anyone that isn't a complete knacker.

The top diagram is what has been put into the heads of people who accept it. I'm simply showing the difference with the bottom diagram.

In your bottom diagram you are introducing a 360 degree change in orientation as it makes its way around the orbit, with no mechanism in reality for it do so. Your bottom diagram is doing all the things you've been saying all along - you have introduced a "wobble"; a "flip" from one end of the table to the other and then back again.
Nope. That's the top diagram, the one you believe in.


In your bottom model your "Earth" is acting like a carousel at the fairground, as though the bottom of the globe were actually attached to the sun by a piece of string and being spun around by it.


Correct. A reality in normal life, which is totally wiped out with the set up that people are told is a globe around a sun, somehow twisting itself as it does a 360.
That's absolutely not how it works. Why would the bottom of the Earth be anchored to the sun like that but not the top?
Why is a swing ball anchored to the pole by a string?
A force holds it in position so it doesn't fly away.
What's holding your Earth in position?

Planetary orbits are not swingball. There's no string attaching the planet to the sun, man. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Of course. But then again, what's holding it and what makes it do an elliptical orbit around this fiery ball we're told about?

We are asked/coaxed into taking leave of our natural senses in order to believe in absolute gobbledygook. In My honest opinion...in terms of this stuff.
Once you've grasped the concept of walking around in a circle with a globe in your hands without changing which way you're facing, then we can think about tackling special relativity.

Let's not run before we can walk in a circle, eh?
I'm fine with the walking around the circle. The reality shows me much different to the one people are trained into accepting.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Basically, I have no idea what any of it means but I'm going to argue against it and when you provide evidence I wont believe it because I can't understand it. Of course I can't admit I don't understand it so I'll call it storytelling and create my own story that makes sense in my head.
Feel free to do as you wish.
 
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How do they know the size of a supposed global Earth, they tell us about?
Where's the reference point to gauge?
I posted something the other day where you can come up with a reasonable estimate for the size of the earth using a few hundred quid worth of amateur astronomy equipment, the angle to polaris and travel a known terrestrial distance due north or south.
 
I posted something the other day where you can come up with a reasonable estimate for the size of the earth using a few hundred quid worth of amateur astronomy equipment, the angle to polaris and travel a known terrestrial distance due north or south.

And I can remember the morons response to that too.......
 
That is a better analogy than mine. You are absolutely right (no sarcasm this time) a swingball will do that. When you hit a swingball the force is trying to make it fly off but the string keeps one end facing the pole. Like the earth in orbit, there is a force stopping the ball flying off and it goes round in a circular orbit instead. However on a swingball, the focus of this force (applied by the string) is applied to the top of the ball. This keeps the top of the ball facing the poll and creates the scenario you show in the second diagram.

The earth is not tethered by the top. Like anything, the centre of gravity is where the middle of the weight is. Picture a shuttle cock, it has the heavy end so it always falls towards that end, or a skydiver arches their belly to the earth as that is where the human centre of gravity is. The centre of gravity of a sphere is in the physical centre. It is the middle of the earth being tethered to the sun, which means there is no reason for one poll or the other to keep facing the sun.

In your second diagram, the person walking around in the circle is turning themselves at the same rate as they turn in the circle.
Can you explain the elliptical orbit around this sun?
What causes this?
If Earth's gravity is so weak the farther you are away then it has little bearing on any 93 million mile sun.
If a so called small moon can supposedly tidally lock with 1/6th gravity against the Earth, as we're told, then what is keeping it being pulled in if it can supposedly pull on massive bodies of water?

So, does your centralised massive sun have any gravity?
Earth just orbits it and can even take a wide berth at times t become a few million miles closer to Earth, as we're told...and yet when this happens it's winter time in the north.

It's all this stuff that cause the explanations to become more and more gobbledygook, just like the Earth wobbling around a sun.
 
Of course I'm wrong, to you and many others.
The reason for that is there to see. The model is on the platter for you.


The top diagram is what has been put into the heads of people who accept it. I'm simply showing the difference with the bottom diagram.


Nope. That's the top diagram, the one you believe in.





Correct. A reality in normal life, which is totally wiped out with the set up that people are told is a globe around a sun, somehow twisting itself as it does a 360.

Why is a swing ball anchored to the pole by a string?
A force holds it in position so it doesn't fly away.
What's holding your Earth in position?


Of course. But then again, what's holding it and what makes it do an elliptical orbit around this fiery ball we're told about?

We are asked/coaxed into taking leave of our natural senses in order to believe in absolute gobbledygook. In My honest opinion...in terms of this stuff.

I'm fine with the walking around the circle. The reality shows me much different to the one people are trained into accepting.

Feel free to do as you wish.

"The reality shows me much different to the one people are trained into accepting." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That really is the most narcissistic way of saying "I don't understand so I'm going to make something up" that I've ever heard.

I just spent ten minutes typing up a description of relativistic spacetime and how it relates to planetary orbits, but then I've deleted it all again because what's the f***ing point when you still can't see that in your own model you're the one introducing the change in angle of tilt as you walk around the light.

If you want a visual aid for how gravity works, watch this demonstration using a latex membrane, a heavy weight, and some balls. The membrane represents the fabric of spacetime. When he puts the weight in the middle and it stretches it downwards into a cone, that's what the sun is doing to the fabric of spacetime around it. Then when he throws the balls, they're the planets travelling around the sun. They're trying to fly off but the slope of spacetime draws them back towards the mass in the middle.

The only real difference between this demonstration and the solar system is that this apparatus has friction, so the balls slow down and fall towards the centre quicker than the planets do towards the sun.

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I posted something the other day where you can come up with a reasonable estimate for the size of the earth using a few hundred quid worth of amateur astronomy equipment, the angle to polaris and travel a known terrestrial distance due north or south.
That offers you no clue whatsoever.
 
Can you explain the elliptical orbit around this sun?
What causes this?
If Earth's gravity is so weak the farther you are away then it has little bearing on any 93 million mile sun.
If a so called small moon can supposedly tidally lock with 1/6th gravity against the Earth, as we're told, then what is keeping it being pulled in if it can supposedly pull on massive bodies of water?

So, does your centralised massive sun have any gravity?
Earth just orbits it and can even take a wide berth at times t become a few million miles closer to Earth, as we're told...and yet when this happens it's winter time in the north.

It's all this stuff that cause the explanations to become more and more gobbledygook, just like the Earth wobbling around a sun.
Yes, the sun has gravity - a hell of a lot of it. Every mass has a gravitational field. From a grape up to the sun, only grapes are small and have a very small gravitational field, the sun is very large and has a large field.

The earth doesn't wobble it's way around the orbit, which is why that idea makes no sense.

The earth's gravity will not be having a significant effect on the sun, due to it's distance. However the sun has has a massive effect on the earth. It is what holds it in orbit.

Things like the moon and earth have settled in orbit around the sun because of a complete balance of forces. Like your swingball analogy, the earth and moon have momentum. Naturally they would fly off in a straight line. However they don't because gravity is pulling them back. This causes them to fly in a circle. They are constantly trying to fly off at a tangent to the circular orbit but the force they are trying to fly off with is exactly equal the the force pulling it in. If we could apply a brake to the moon and slow it down, then the gravitational effect of the earth would be greater than the force of the moon trying to fly off and this would cause it to move closer to the earth. The increased gravity of the moon would give higher tides, more adverse weather and earthquakes. Don't to this.
That offers you no clue whatsoever.
It offers me a clue, but the thing is understanding it - which you clearly don't.
 
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"The reality shows me much different to the one people are trained into accepting." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That really is the most narcissistic way of saying "I don't understand so I'm going to make something up" that I've ever heard.
Not really. It's my way of saying, none of it makes sense because it doesn't make sense.
There's little to no logic about a global Earth and space stories.


I just spent ten minutes typing up a description of relativistic spacetime and how it relates to planetary orbits, but then I've deleted it all again because what's the f***ing point when you still can't see that in your own model you're the one introducing the change in angle of tilt as you walk around the light.
You made a point to type it all out so you should've put it in regardless of what you think I will think.

As for the so called Earth tilt. I've clearly shown what's more realistic in what we actually do see and what isn't in terms of what we're told is happening around a so called big fiery ball.

If you want a visual aid for how gravity works, watch this demonstration using a latex membrane, a heavy weight, and some balls. The membrane represents the fabric of spacetime. When he puts the weight in the middle and it stretches it downwards into a cone, that's what the sun is doing to the fabric of spacetime around it. Then when he throws the balls, they're the planets travelling around the sun. They're trying to fly off but the slope of spacetime draws them back towards the mass in the middle.

The only real difference between this demonstration and the solar system is that this apparatus has friction, so the balls slow down and fall towards the centre quicker than the planets do towards the sun.

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Yep, the apparatus has friction.

If the sun is acting like a big weight in the fabric to warp it then why is it only doing it in one direction?
Also, if the so called planets are simply falling into it but rotating fast enough around it to not be falling in then they could not be offering any elliptical orbit and certainly not a wobbling change in orientation.

Warped spacetime. It's a great story but that's all it is.
Superman can fly and even turn back time....right?
But that's just a movie...I know. This stuff is a reality...right?
Or is it a reality?
Or is it passed off as a theory?

The problems stated when people who were told Earth was supposedly a spinning oblate spheroid started to question the movement. This is when this special relativity came about to go along with general relativity.
You see when something is required to fit a concocted model and people have the authority to alter it to fit the ordinary Joe's/Jane's perception of what is around them, stuff like this can be used and be called a theory....a scientific theory to throw out a mindset of fact but backed up by the words " scientific theory"....a peer reviewed so called effort that rubber stamps a piece into the official storyline.

As I said before. dazzle us all with their brilliance and baffle us all with their bull****.
 
Not really. It's my way of saying, none of it makes sense because it doesn't make sense.
There's little to no logic about a global Earth
So refresh my memory as I lose track of all of your genuis theories, how do you explain the poles again do you think there is one "ice rim" around a sort of circle not 2 poles at opposite ends of the planet?
 
Yes, the sun has gravity - a hell of a lot of it. Every mass has a gravitational field. From a grape up to the sun, only grapes are small and have a very small gravitational field, the sun is very large and has a large field.

As the story goes. You have no clue as to any reality of this, right?
You follow the story and you study a bit of what it told. That's all we can do. We are reliant on following (or in my case....not) those stories if we want to argue in their favour or simply pass an exam by regurgitating what was set out.
The earth doesn't wobble it's way around the orbit, which is why that idea makes no sense.

By the model put out by whoever rigged it up, it clearly does in this model scenario.
You don't get the north pole peg sitting away from the sun and then the north pole peg pointing at it if it's simply going around in a circle or near circle if anyone wants to add in an elliptical orbit carry on.
The earth's gravity will not be having a significant effect on the sun, due to it's distance. However the sun has has a massive effect on the earth. It is what holds it in orbit.
This big ball of fire/plasma/nuclear fusion or whatever stuff is bandied about for it, is supposed to be pushing its radiation out, so how is it supposedly dragging anything towards it?
Yeah, you say gravity but what is that force this supposed sun that apparently can fit 1.3 million Earth's inside of it and yet have so little effect.
What is this gravity as a force?

Here's something.

It would make a little bit more sense to have that sun push the Earth back as the Earth supposedly falls into this warped space... if there was such a thing in a nothingness
I mean, it's sold and told as a vacuum which just adds to the basic nonsense, as far as I'm concerned.


The real warped space is what we're living in. We all warp it and so does every object within this atmosphere.
Why?
Because that's called a real medium and we as bodies and objects displace it by our own dense makeup and fictional space vacuums offer nothing but magical stories and absolutely nothing to work from.
They're good stories but should be firmly on the fiction shelf.
Things like the moon and earth have settled in orbit around the sun because of a complete balance of forces. Like your swingball analogy, the earth and moon have momentum. Naturally they would fly off in a straight line. However they don't because gravity is pulling them back. This causes them to fly in a circle. They are constantly trying to fly off at a tangent to the circular orbit but the force they are trying to fly off with is exactly equal the the force pulling it in.
You do not get any balance of forces with unevenness and elliptical orbit stories scupper that.
If we could apply a brake to the moon and slow it down, then the gravitational effect of the earth would be greater than the force of the moon trying to fly off and this would cause it to move closer to the earth. The increased gravity of the moon would give higher tides, more adverse weather and earthquakes. Don't to this.

It offers me a clue, but the thing is understanding it - which you clearly don't.
We get told time and time again about Earth moving 5 million miles closer to the sun at certain times and the moon doing the same.
It offers nothing but nonsense.
The trouble is we've been coaxed into a belief system of millions, billions, trillions of stars and whatnot that are so far away they're much easier to be calculated in terms of light years.

We then get offered time travel with those same so called stars. Big balls of fire like our so called big sun, only they apparently dwarf it...and yet we get told we only see those stars as they were 1 million or 10 million, or whatever years ago. Basically we get told that some might be dead and we're just getting the light they emitted millions of years ago...and so on and so on. It beggars belief. It is nuts but is sold as a truth.

I know I know. It's because I just don't understand it.
To be honest, nobody does, anymore than they understand why superman has massive strength and can fly and whatever.... or how santa gets down the chimney and why Rudolph and the gang, plus the sleigh full of a trillion presents do not damage the roof tiles.

I know, that's just a fiction and we know that now....right?

We're still treated like the kids we once were and still sold the stories. Only this time it's on a larger scale of bull****.

In my opinion, of course.
So refresh my memory as I lose track of all of your genuis theories, how do you explain the poles again do you think there is one "ice rim" around a sort of circle not 2 poles at opposite ends of the planet?
I believe we live inside a cell.
The membrane above is clear ice made (potentially) of a hydrogen/helium...etc....mix. Maybe something even lower on the scale.

In the centre of this cell is the energy we see projected onto that ice dome, including all the rest of the lights moving about.
No poles as such but one big central energy vortex that is consistently being fed.

The farther away from it the less we feel of that vortex.
The closer would be of such strength (to us) we would perish.

I've explained a lot. You can look back if you're interested...and if not, no probs.

You asked so I've given you a little insight.

Just so you know...none of it factually provable and I don't pass it off as such. It's my own thoughts based on my own experiments and workings.
 
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As the story goes. You have no clue as to any reality of this, right?
You follow the story and you study a bit of what it told. That's all we can do. We are reliant on following (or in my case....not) those stories if we want to argue in their favour or simply pass an exam by regurgitating what was set out.


By the model put out by whoever rigged it up, it clearly does in this model scenario.
You don't get the north pole peg sitting away from the sun and then the north pole peg pointing at it if it's simply going around in a circle or near circle if anyone wants to add in an elliptical orbit carry on.

This big ball of fire/plasma/nuclear fusion or whatever stuff is bandied about for it, is supposed to be pushing its radiation out, so how is it supposedly dragging anything towards it?
Yeah, you say gravity but what is that force this supposed sun that apparently can fit 1.3 million Earth's inside of it and yet have so little effect.
What is this gravity as a force?

Here's something.

It would make a little bit more sense to have that sun push the Earth back as the Earth supposedly falls into this warped space... if there was such a thing in a nothingness
I mean, it's sold and told as a vacuum which just adds to the basic nonsense, as far as I'm concerned.


The real warped space is what we're living in. We all warp it and so does every object within this atmosphere.
Why?
Because that's called a real medium and we as bodies and objects displace it by our own dense makeup and fictional space vacuums offer nothing but magical stories and absolutely nothing to work from.
They're good stories but should be firmly on the fiction shelf.

You do not get any balance of forces with unevenness and elliptical orbit stories scupper that.

We get told time and time again about Earth moving 5 million miles closer to the sun at certain times and the moon doing the same.
It offers nothing but nonsense.
The trouble is we've been coaxed into a belief system of millions, billions, trillions of stars and whatnot that are so far away they're much easier to be calculated in terms of light years.

We then get offered time travel with those same so called stars. Big balls of fire like our so called big sun, only they apparently dwarf it...and yet we get told we only see those stars as they were 1 million or 10 million, or whatever years ago. Basically we get told that some might be dead and we're just getting the light they emitted millions of years ago...and so on and so on. It beggars belief. It is nuts but is sold as a truth.

I know I know. It's because I just don't understand it.
To be honest, nobody does, anymore than they understand why superman has massive strength and can fly and whatever.... or how santa gets down the chimney and why Rudolph and the gang, plus the sleigh full of a trillion presents do not damage the roof tiles.

I know, that's just a fiction and we know that now....right?

We're still treated like the kids we once were and still sold the stories. Only this time it's on a larger scale of bull****.

In my opinion, of course.

I believe we live inside a cell.
The membrane above is clear ice made (potentially) of a hydrogen/helium...etc....mix. Maybe something even lower on the scale.

In the centre of this cell is the energy we see projected onto that ice dome, including all the rest of the lights moving about.
No poles as such but one big central energy vortex that is consistently being fed.

The farther away from it the less we feel of that vortex.
The closer would be of such strength (to us) we would perish.

I've explained a lot. You can look back if you're interested...and if not, no probs.

You asked so I've given you a little insight.

Just so you know...none of it factually provable and I don't pass it off as such. It's my own thoughts based on my own experiments and workings.
Ok, so we are back at personal insults to my knowledge and intellectual capacity and your huh, what, I don't understand. Like I have said before, once you get past GCSE education is not about regurgitation. It is not like learning the dates of Kings and Queens of England. The further you progress, memory of facts will not cut it. A-level through to PhD gets to be more about proof from first principals into unique research as you go. You can insult us all you like, strongly implying that we are just repeating what was drummed into us parrot fashion and making out that you are a elite luminary asking and answering the great questions, but what you are saying is not true. You then have people who once finished with formal education, continue research and learning independently or now increasingly in online group studies. There is no exam to pass, no fun in learning facts, that is all about discovery, proof and intellectual challenge. Within the likes of astronomy, it is usually study to back up observations.
 
Like I have said before, once you get past GCSE education is not about regurgitation.
Of course it is.
People will regurgitate what they follow and argue from that point, whether they know the truth or not.
We all do it in all ways and means, with all kinds of stuff.

It is not like learning the dates of Kings and Queens of England. The further you progress, memory of facts will not cut it.
If we're talking about inventions and what not, then yes, you're right. It's about innovation. But then again that comes down to provable.
With what we're arguing/debating, it has and offers no real proof from your side.
If you think it does then offer it from your own self proof.


A-level through to PhD gets to be more about proof from first principals into unique research as you go.


Proof is what we're talking bout.



You then have people who once finished with formal education, continue research and learning independently or now increasingly in online group studies.
That's of no issue. I have no problem with this.
If the research has a basis for truth then there may be a reality to the end product.

No issues here.


There is no exam to pass, no fun in learning facts, that is all about discovery, proof and intellectual challenge.


And as long as there's something provable there is also no issue.
Within the likes of astronomy, it is usually study to back up observations.
But there is no factual evidence behind any of it. It's simple theoretical at best and massively wild guess story telling.
 
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