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Put a flat earthier into space


You are very happy to spend hours and hours on the things you do know. Why not two minutes on the things you don't? You don't need to list everything, just a few.
There's lots of things each individual doesn't know.
I do not feel any need to go into what I don't understand or know.
My mindset is on trying to figure out all the unknowns or the misunderstandings or the misinformation just as much as trying to understand the realities of life and people and so on.
 
As I said. It's a dome
...stating as 'fact' You dont do that right?
and what you see on Earth under it will vary depending on where each person is standing.
It's not like you can look in the sky and immediately see a mirror image of what's in the sky much farther than you.
But that's what you're suggesting by claiming those star trails are mirror images.

But you are aware the points of light do get seen in a different orientation as you go farther afield into what you think is a southern hemisphere, just as the moon reflection is shown upside down...and so on.
Yes, the moon appears the other way around if you're looking at it from the other side of a globe. But if "mirror images" was the explanation for that pic, we would see the moon both upright and reversed at the same time.
As in, how?
As in how else would you be able to see the stars and their reflections if you could not see both sides of the dome? Do your reflections curve now?
Whatever's reflected is in the realms of what we see. In my opinion.
Meaningless
You're simply thinking they're millions and billions of miles away and light years away and are trying to gauge stuff based on those thoughts.
The stuff these people fill us with is sci-fi fantastical but it really does beggar belief and makes me do this on a regular basis. :rolleyes:
And you're missing the point entirely, perhaps on purpose while then rolling the eyes as if the whole of the rest of the world is stupid.
It's simple. If you can see stars on your left and the same stars reflected on the right at the same size, then it follows that the supposed reflective dome is equally distant from your viewpoint in both directions.
The horizon is simply the vanishing point to your eyes. It becomes a theoretical line or an imaginary line.
One of your most often repeated bits of nonsense. The horizon is the last bit of Earth you can see before the curvature takes it out of your line of vision. Not imaginary, not theoretical. A physical and usually very visible and factual thing.

But you're only using it to avoid the point I was making. Your reflections don't add up. Your dome has to be so massive as to be relatively flat directly above us or else we could quite easily see and reach the centre or outer edges. At the same time it must be small enough that something on one side can be visible in reflection on the other side at the same size. It does not work.
Points of light maps are fine. They help navigation around the circle under the dome.


Why should they be inaccurate?
They are not, if we're on a rotating globe in orbit around the Sun but make no sense in Domeland.
"No vagaries, as your previous posted indicated, this is specific."

There's lots of stuff on this topic. Go through it and you'll get a better idea of what's what from my side.
Very vague and non-specific.
The things you don't understand. You said there are a lot of them
Safest to assume "all"
There's lots of things each individual doesn't know.
I do not feel any need to go into what I don't understand or know.
My mindset is on trying to figure out all the unknowns or the misunderstandings or the misinformation just as much as trying to understand the realities of life and people and so on.
Your mindset is entirely on the defence of an indefensible nonsense of a theory at all costs. You have made up your mind about one thing and are prepared to reject facts and spout unlimited nonsense in order to defend that one false belief.
 
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Your mindset is entirely on the defence of an indefensible nonsense of a theory at all costs. You have made up your mind about one thing and are prepared to reject facts and spout unlimited nonsense in order to defend that one false belief.
To me honest I could level that to you but it gets us nowhere.
Why not just say one way or another?
No need, I'm sure you and others will decide for yourselves without my help.
 
...stating as 'fact' You dont do that right?

But that's what you're suggesting by claiming those star trails are mirror images.


Yes, the moon appears the other way around if you're looking at it from the other side of a globe. But if "mirror images" was the explanation for that pic, we would see the moon both upright and reversed at the same time.

As in how else would you be able to see the stars and their reflections if you could not see both sides of the dome? Do your reflections curve now?

Meaningless

And you're missing the point entirely, perhaps on purpose while then rolling the eyes as if the whole of the rest of the world is stupid.
It's simple. If you can see stars on your left and the same stars reflected on the right at the same size, then it follows that the supposed reflective dome is equally distant from your viewpoint in both directions.

One of your most often repeated bits of nonsense. The horizon is the last bit of Earth you can see before the curvature takes it out of your line of vision. Not imaginary, not theoretical. A physical and usually very visible and factual thing.

But you're only using it to avoid the point I was making. Your reflections don't add up. Your dome has to be so massive as to be relatively flat directly above us or else we could quite easily see and reach the centre or outer edges. At the same time it must be small enough that something on one side can be visible in reflection on the other side at the same size. It does not work.

They are not, if we're on a rotating globe in orbit around the Sun but make no sense in Domeland.

Very vague and non-specific.

Safest to assume "all"

Your mindset is entirely on the defence of an indefensible nonsense of a theory at all costs. You have made up your mind about one thing and are prepared to reject facts and spout unlimited nonsense in order to defend that one false belief.
it all makes sense to him in his musings and that's all that matters. It's what he's offering, and he is fine with that. Take it how you will, he doesn't expect you to change your views with your globe mindset that has been laid out for you.

The fact
Why not just say one way or another?
The flat earth rule book of saying proof doesn't exist, never offering proof etc leads bleeds into all area. In this case he can't even say yes or no to whether he's a username on a website.
 
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To me honest I could level that to you but it gets us nowhere.

No need, I'm sure you and others will decide for yourselves without my help.
But it's not a thing to decide, it's a simple matter of fact you are or you aren't?

I assume you won't confirm if it is true as it will expose you to wider scrutiny.

If you say it's not you you expose your dense stacking diagram to being something you've appealed to authority for

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!" (Sir Walter Scott, 1808)

that's called crediting your source btw 😁
 
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You could try, but you'd still be the one with no supporting evidence for your view and a huge pile of evidence proving you wrong, on your "ignore at all costs" list.
As I said, we can argue evidence all day long but what are you relying on?

Let's strip it all down to the bare skin and bone, plus a seat each.

Where's your evidence?
 
But it's not a thing to decide, it's a simple matter of fact you are or you aren't?
I've been told I'm all kinds of things from jobs to living in a basement waiting for my giro and a whole host of other stuff, some of which could be true or all of it may not be true as I know it but to those offering it, it can be their truth based on how they vision me. Add this one in as an extra in this category and decide for yourself if it's true.

The thing is if I denied being in a basement in a string vest and gravy-stained underpants on, or denied being a painter and decorator or any other job bandied about or wasting giro money on coke and pizzas, then some will call me a liar.
However, if I say I am living in a basement and do spend my giro on coke and pizza then some will accept that as me being truthful, yet some will wonder if I'm just teasing and so on.

So what I'm saying is, there's no need for me to answer this extra question, just do your own investigations if it interests you and then decide for yourself.

If one way or the other changes anything for you for the better then, use that thought.
I assume you won't confirm if it is true as it will expose you to wider scrutiny.
You seem to have decided the name is me so why don't you scrutinise what the name says and expose me to whatever it is you think needs exposing?
If you say it's not you you expose your dense stacking diagram to being something you've appealed to authority for
It's all up to you to decide for yourself. Go with whatever your time allows you to do or your interest.
I'm just a nutcase remember so are you trying to expose me to being a fruit and nutcase or what?
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!" (Sir Walter Scott, 1808)

that's called crediting your source btw 😁
Life is a web. Life is a maze.
The conundrum is in being trapped in the web and think it's fine or evaluating it and being careful. The maze is another where your entry and path to the end product takes many alternate ways and until anyone gets to the end, only they can offer their route as provable if they take the sceptics to that end, otherwise, it becomes a truth knowable only to that person and comes down to acceptance of honesty if only the story of it gets told.

This is where we're all at.
You've not read the last few pages?
I think you missed the point.
Where is your's? You are proposing the well established facts are wrong, the onus is on you to evidence your argument
I've offered my thoughts and they've been discarded as I expected. I wouldn't expect anything less.
My thoughts can be food for some and poison to others.
This is what I offer.

Now, where's your personal evidence,
The highlight is key.
 
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I think you missed the point.
To me honest I could level that to you but it gets us nowhere.
If someone gave you a box and said 'all the evidence you need is in here'
Would you look in the box? Or would you pretend boxes don't exist and say whatever is inside is nonsense anyway, then change the subject to the smell of Tuesdays?
 
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I've been told I'm all kinds of things from jobs to living in a basement waiting for my giro and a whole host of other stuff, some of which could be true or all of it may not be true as I know it but to those offering it, it can be their truth based on how they vision me. Add this one in as an extra in this category and decide for yourself if it's true.

The thing is if I denied being in a basement in a string vest and gravy-stained underpants on, or denied being a painter and decorator or any other job bandied about or wasting giro money on coke and pizzas, then some will call me a liar.
However, if I say I am living in a basement and do spend my giro on coke and pizza then some will accept that as me being truthful, yet some will wonder if I'm just teasing and so on.

So what I'm saying is, there's no need for me to answer this extra question, just do your own investigations if it interests you and then decide for yourself.

If one way or the other changes anything for you for the better then, use that thought.

You seem to have decided the name is me so why don't you scrutinise what the name says and expose me to whatever it is you think needs exposing?

It's all up to you to decide for yourself. Go with whatever your time allows you to do or your interest.
I'm just a nutcase remember so are you trying to expose me to being a fruit and nutcase or what?

Life is a web. Life is a maze.
The conundrum is in being trapped in the web and think it's fine or evaluating it and being careful. The maze is another where your entry and path to the end product takes many alternate ways and until anyone gets to the end, only they can offer their route as provable if they take the sceptics to that end, otherwise, it becomes a truth knowable only to that person and comes down to acceptance of honesty if only the story of it gets told.

This is where we're all at.

I think you missed the point.

I've offered my thoughts and they've been discarded as I expected. I wouldn't expect anything less.
My thoughts can be food for some and poison to others.
This is what I offer.

Now, where's your personal evidence,
The highlight is key.
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" is a line from the play Hamlet by William Shakespeare. It is spoken by Queen Gertrude in response to the insincere overacting
 
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