Put a flat earthier into space

[Nukehasslefan]

You're happy to be wrong, that's what you're happy being.

I'm more than happy to be wrong if someone offers proof against what I say. If none is offered then, as it stands, I'm not wrong.

If you're not willing to do the experiment with equipment that could tell you the definitive answer, don't pretend there's a scientific basis for your nonsense, don't pretend you've done any "experiments" involving your bath or water containers, and don't keep spouting your "I know it's flat" lie when you absolutely don't KNOW either way whether it is flat or not because you haven't ever tested for the 8 inches per miles squared curvature using equipment capable of measuring such a curve.

Don't pretend you have the scientific evidence for a globe when you haven't done any tests.

Until you do the experiment properly, you're just a liar.

Feel free to keep relaying that.

An obstinate, arrogant, self-aggrandising, uneducated, mentally-challenged liar.

And feel free to add on whatever pacifies you.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

Stacked atmosphere starts from the bottom up to the top.
Bottom is down and top is up.
As simple as that.

There still has to be something which defines up and down, these layers cannot decide for themselves.
You little fantasy world of impossible beliefs - you are welcome to it, have fun in there, but if you make the claim that real world stuff is either nonsense or simply doesn't exist then you need something to back up that claim.

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and yet, after centuries, no-one has managed to use water level to "nail it."

 

[fyl2u]

I've tested it to know what I know.
If you want to argue about super special instruments being needed then you go with that thought.
If you think water can curve around a surface of a ball and appear level then you go with it. It has zero effect on my mindset.

You haven't tested it you liar. You don't have a measuring device capable of measuring an 8 inches per mile squared curve across the length of a bath, and you're not willing to do any test that has a chance of proving you wrong, which this one would.

I'm more than happy to be wrong if someone offers proof against what I say. If none is offered then, as it stands, I'm not wrong.

Liar.

 

[legend7]

@Nukehasslefan come on share some of these many experiments that got you to know its crystals at the centre not some other medium.
And the experiments that prove water is flat.
Maybe we will understand more if you show us?
You know, like your map cleared everything up?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

There still has to be something which defines up and down, these layers cannot decide for themselves.

100 sheets on a bed mattress, which one is under the most pressure?
Which one is under the least pressure?
Which one is bottom?
Which one is top?

You little fantasy world of impossible beliefs - you are welcome to it, have fun in there, but if you make the claim that real world stuff is either nonsense or simply doesn't exist then you need something to back up that claim.

Backed up easily. It's now up to those who want to test it for themselves....without the bias of severe indoctrinated belief systems on this stuff.

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and yet, after centuries, no-one has managed to use water level to "nail it."

Plenty have but mass indoctrination that forces someone to accept water curving on a surface, at rest, going against what they can clearly observe and ridicules anyone who dares to state the obvious, is going to garner mass conform to whatever is the comfort blanket to get under.

 

[DaveH]

It's like saying a straight stick is proof of a bent stick.
The global explanation when looked at with logic, is utter nonsense.

Nothing as long as people who argue for facts are honest in showing that it's down to appeals to authority and not any direct proof from themselves.

Progress can only be made when arguments gain an and product. In this case it's only facts that can create the end product and to get to the facts there has to be a lot of honest debate in acceptance of not having them but offering a potential for them until such a time where someone says " here you are, this is factual and we can go and prove this for ourselves."

The biggest problem is if everyone believes stories without proof. It means it offers no debate and offers no questioning of those stories put out as fact, without proof.

How about I tell you how it works and then you can argue against me and you can elaborate.

Weight is a man made measurement of dense mass and can only be measured on a man made scale that measures that dense mass against what that mass displaces of atmosphere and uses that scale plate as the sprung foundation in order to measure that mass.
No fictional gravity needed.

So why do you cling to so many ideas without any form of proof?

Why do you dismiss what seems like almost the entirety of modern science without proof, only the feeling that it makes no sense?

If you had an experiment or mathematics that would prove or disprove something, then ok. But you don’t.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

You haven't tested it you liar. You don't have a measuring device capable of measuring an 8 inches per mile squared curve across the length of a bath, and you're not willing to do any test that has a chance of proving you wrong, which this one would.


Liar.

Water is flat and level at rest.
Water does not stay flat and level when poured around a ball. It's just basic logic.

 

[Nobby]

Yep, I agree. Water level is the observable, testable and repeatable experiment that nails th

So describe your method of testing it.

If you can't or won't you have no claim to have any scientific evidence, you have a belief.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

@Nukehasslefan come on share some of these many experiments that got you to know its crystals at the centre not some other medium.
And the experiments that prove water is flat.
Maybe we will understand more if you show us?
You know, like your map cleared everything up?

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[fyl2u]

I don't believe it's flawed and logic tells me it isn't flawed......but....in your mind it obviously is because you believe that water can find its own level on a ball and to be fair I can't understand that now but once upon a time when I believed all the bull sheet about gravity, I actually didn't think to question it the authority on it.

Imagine someone coming up to me and saying " water is level and flat" and I argue and say " what a nut, it's clearly surface curved even if it does look flat and level."

And me thinking that person is bonkers and yet that person not thinking I am because that person is singled out against me being part of a large crowded mass with that belief system installed.

And then I woke up.

It's just the same as someone walking into a crowded church to then stand at the front and say " do you believe what that priest's just said to you about god?"
What do you think the reaction would be?

Exactly.

And just like there are gods, water also supposedly curves around a ball and is fine because godly gravity keeps it on.....apparently.
What is gravity?
Nobody knows but it's apparently there because water supposedly stays on a ball and it's apparently preposterous to think that it could be flat and level and conform to any container it is placed into.

I used to believe in god. Why?
Because I was told to and not to do so would incur the wrath of my parents and elder uncles/aunts....etc. Not to mention schools and what not.

However I have no issue with those who are religious and no issue with those who believe in a spinning globe.

My issue is with the concepts of what was thrown to me and I argue it because of that, not because you or anyone else follows that teaching.

You keep bringing religion into this as if it has any relevance to any of us. Desperation from the liar.

Try doing an experiment scientifically for once instead of just looking at a bath of water and saying "yup that's flat".

Until then, you've done NO experiments. Staring at a bath of water, stamping your feet and screaming "la la la not listening, bathwater's flat and so is the Earth, la la la" like a toddler isn't getting you anywhere.

 

[nahwee]

Water is flat and level at rest.
Water does not stay flat and level when poured around a ball. It's just basic logic.

What experiment did you carry out?

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

100 sheets on a bed mattress, which one is under the most pressure?
Which one is under the least pressure?
Which one is bottom?
Which one is top?

The answer is not disputed, the reason is.

Backed up easily. It's now up to those who want to test it for themselves....without the bias of severe indoctrinated belief systems on this stuff.

Exactly, but you still wont test it for yourself without the bias of indoctrinated flat earth beliefs

Plenty have but mass indoctrination that forces someone to accept water curving on a surface, at rest, going against what they can clearly observe and ridicules anyone who dares to state the obvious, is going to garner mass conform to whatever is the comfort blanket to get under.

Water curving on a surface is what they can clearly observe, it's you who is going against the observable and provable.

 

[fyl2u]

Water is flat and level at rest.
Water does not stay flat and level when poured around a ball. It's just basic logic.

No, it's basic idiocy.

Basic logic would dictate that if you're trying to prove that a curve of 8 inches per mile squared doesn't exist, then you would need a device capable of measuring whether or not a curve of 8 inches per mile squared is present.

Basic logic would tell me not to lie about having done experiments when I I hadn't.

Basic logic would tell me to learn to admit when I was wrong.

 

[DaveH]

I'd love a straight answer to "what experiments have you done that point to there being a carbon arc lamp in the middle of the world, as oppose to say, an electric light or a halogen lamp".

For someone that has done "various experiments" he sure does seem reluctant to share them.

Could it be that he's lying YET AGAIN?

Evidence seems to be pointing towards that conclusion right now.

Modern science is all about compartmentalisation. People working in science don’t share data, details, don’t write many papers, don’t present their work at conferences, don’t collaborate on projects formally between universities, government institutes and private business, along with informal relations too. There is no massive investment into large academic backbone networks designed to share masses of scientific data really quickly. That way the narrative can stick unhindered, as people are told which stories to follow. They don’t know the methods and can not disprove and are told to accept.

Except the above is complete and utter bollocks, with the exact opposite being true. The scientific community is all about sharing.

Meanwhile he claims to have done all sorts of experiments but with no method, list of equipment or results shared. All in complete secret. Without substance it can seem like bullshit. His model is the compartmentalisation and no proof method of what he claims the rest of the entire of science is.

Especially his experimental claims about rocket fuel in an extreme low pressure environment. Rocket fuel is not something you can come by easily, and there are many different types. To expel it from containers into a low pressure environment takes some extremely expensive and specialist equipment. There is some really nice stuff at my work, but nothing that could even come close to performing this. You are talking specialist licences and £50k budget for even the most basic experiments, not to mention a reasonably large lab. You can’t get this stuff in a standard shed.

Lets just say it doesn’t feel feasible that a private individual with no established scientific credentials and I’m guessing without a massive amount of disposable income, could even consider investigating this.

Though I am happy to be pointed to some budget compact ways of doing it.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

Lets just say it doesn’t feel feasible that a private individual with no established scientific credentials and I’m guessing without a massive amount of disposable income, could even consider investigating this.

Though I am happy to be pointed to some budget compact ways of doing it.

It's the thought that counts.

 

[DaveH]

Water is flat and level at rest.
Water does not stay flat and level when poured around a ball. It's just basic logic.

So essentially you are saying “I think therefor it is”.

You have a personal expectation of how the world should work, based on nothing but a pondering and then claim conspiracy and cover up when the rest of the world does not agree.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

@Nukehasslefan come on share some of these many experiments that got you to know its crystals at the centre not some other medium.
And the experiments that prove water is flat.
Maybe we will understand more if you show us?
You know, like your map cleared everything up?

I believe your interest is really peaking.
I suggest you start to do your own experiments and figure out stuff for yourself.

 

[Kevj]

1000 litres?

That’s correct. But it’s also the equivalent of something else. Care to guess?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

So why do you cling to so many ideas without any form of proof?

Why do you?

Why do you dismiss what seems like almost the entirety of modern science without proof, only the feeling that it makes no sense?

Because it's not only a feeling, it's observation.

If you had an experiment or mathematics that would prove or disprove something, then ok. But you don’t.

I don't need them and you also have none to prove your globe.

 

[fyl2u]

I believe your interest is really peaking.
I suggest you start to do your own experiments and figure out stuff for yourself.

We have. Overnight I carried out 45 different experiments that proved the earth was an oblate spheroid, water isn't flat, space exists, gravity is real, earth orbits the sun, the moon orbits the earth, rockets work in a vacuum, and all right-angles are equal.

I'm not going to tell you what any of those experiments were. I suggest you start to do your own experiments to figure these things out for yourself.