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Put a flat earthier into space

What do you know about this space program?


I'll take it as it being unacceptable to me.
Do you think officials tell lies?

Or tell the truth but that truth is only provable to whoever knows it.

Many different fields of what?


My colaims would be worth nothing to those who are unconditional to the narratives set out for them, no matter what I said. I'm under no illusions about that and nor do I care.
But you aren't the entire makeup of people following set narratives. Some do think outside the box and some do get interested in simply thinking alternate to set narratives if they feel there's a potential for them to be wrong or misdirected...etc.

So why do you bother trying to argue with me?

Not too sure.
Rather than me going on yet another long post of evidence for you to dismiss, why not balance things out and add some substance to your posts first?

Can you actually prove anything rather than just guess work. Do you have experiments to back anything up?
 

Rather than me going on yet another long post of evidence for you to dismiss, why not balance things out and add some substance to your posts first?

Can you actually prove anything rather than just guess work. Do you have experiments to back anything up?
Substance?
Such as?
How about you add some proof to yours. You have it all on as silver platter. It's all at your fingertips so why are you even arguing with me?
You should easily be able to nail a proof for your global belief and space stuff but here we are still debating it.
We're still debating it because no proof can be offered.

We can go right down the rabbit hole of arguments that bring into massive question, lots of stuff against a spinning globe and space and em waves in a so called space vacuum.

Today we struggle with phone calls to people at certain location just a few miles away and yet we can hark back to the 1969 when Richard Nixon phones up the supposed astronauts on the supposed moon from his landline and says a few words. :D
Now then Neil, nice one son, I'll have to be quick because this call's gonna cost me a fortune. ;)
 
And on YOUR map with quite a pronounced slope, forget about North and south but from alaska to Argentina(9000 miles) if there was only a 6 mile gradient along that whole distance (barely any sea to the deepest sea we know) it would look totally flat on a map.
 
But the basics show the seas either have to be silly deep and one end of your map or the landmass is flat not lemon squeezer shape.
Please draw a sketch to disprove either 🙏🙏
A gradual gradient that can be many miles high over a massive distance is not going to have water as deep as you make out.
It's not like the water is flowing into the top or near it.
 
Substance?
Such as?
How about you add some proof to yours. You have it all on as silver platter. It's all at your fingertips so why are you even arguing with me?
You should easily be able to nail a proof for your global belief and space stuff but here we are still debating it.
We're still debating it because no proof can be offered.

We can go right down the rabbit hole of arguments that bring into massive question, lots of stuff against a spinning globe and space and em waves in a so called space vacuum.

Today we struggle with phone calls to people at certain location just a few miles away and yet we can hark back to the 1969 when Richard Nixon phones up the supposed astronauts on the supposed moon from his landline and says a few words. :D
Now then Neil, nice one son, I'll have to be quick because this call's gonna cost me a fortune. ;)
Well a couple of weeks ago I picked out one individual who's work I had been reading about and asked a few simple question.

Is the person a liar and in on it?
Is the person being conned?
If they are in on it, at what stage of a space scientists career do they get brought into the cover-up cult.

You waffled a bit and didn't answer the questions. Because that is just one individual, scale that up to anyone who has been involved in the space program and you have an incredibly complex conspiracy.

What the hell does a "silver platter" mean? Because information is shared and verifiable by thousands if not millions it makes it less valid than the unsubstantiated ramblings of a Newcastle painter?
 
And on YOUR map with quite a pronounced slope, forget about North and south but from alaska to Argentina(9000 miles) if there was only a 6 mile gradient along that whole distance (barely any sea to the deepest sea we know) it would look totally flat on a map.
It would have to be a big map for it to look anywhere near flat.
Take a look at your very own globe. If you made that 100 feet in size with your water and landmass on it it would still look massively like a big ball, not flat.
So why do you think mine would?

If I made a very large orange squeezer like Earth then you'd see the central gradient and the outer gradient.

Over the entire Earth itself if you were to sail it and then walk the gradient for a while you'll still know you're advancing up a gradient but it would be minimal against your tiny size against the size of Earth.

I really don't get why you can;t see this.
 
Substance?
Such as?
How about you add some proof to yours. You have it all on as silver platter. It's all at your fingertips so why are you even arguing with me?
You should easily be able to nail a proof for your global belief and space stuff but here we are still debating it.
We're still debating it because no proof can be offered.

We can go right down the rabbit hole of arguments that bring into massive question, lots of stuff against a spinning globe and space and em waves in a so called space vacuum.

Today we struggle with phone calls to people at certain location just a few miles away and yet we can hark back to the 1969 when Richard Nixon phones up the supposed astronauts on the supposed moon from his landline and says a few words. :D
Now then Neil, nice one son, I'll have to be quick because this call's gonna cost me a fortune. ;)
See, that's the problem. The nature of physical sciences is that they often take place on scales that are not at the size that can be presented in a medium you will believe - e.g., something you can do in your bathtub. Your refusal to credit well-established doctrines and even observable facts like ships disappearing over the horizon or the visibility of buildings in Chicago makes any internet-based explanation to you of something that is either larger or smaller than a human scale fundamentally a waste of time.

For you to ask for "proof" from someone's "fingertips" - i.e., the internet - when you will automatically dismiss that proof simply because it is not from a source you can personally replicate is laughably disingenuous. You're asking for exactly the type of source material that you automatically dismiss due to its very nature.
 
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But the basics show the seas either have to be silly deep and one end of your map or the landmass is flat not lemon squeezer shape.
Please draw a sketch to disprove either 🙏🙏
He's never going to do a sketch. That means giving detail. He made that mistake once with his lemon squeezer and is still trying to wriggle off that hook.

Giving detail just exposes the holes in his argument
 
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It would have to be a big map for it to look anywhere near flat.
Take a look at your very own globe. If you made that 100 feet in size with your water and landmass on it it would still look massively like a big ball, not flat.
So why do you think mine would?

If I made a very large orange squeezer like Earth then you'd see the central gradient and the outer gradient.

Over the entire Earth itself if you were to sail it and then walk the gradient for a while you'll still know you're advancing up a gradient but it would be minimal against your tiny size against the size of Earth.

I really don't get why you can;t see this.

Are you aware that we have scale drawings?
 
How does the ground pull?

This was explained to you dozens of pages ago. You don't get it. Or you're too obstinate to admit you do get it but refuse to concede it because it shows how ridiculous you're being with your "water doesn't stick to a ball" argument.

How does the ground pull on water to pull down a ships hull into the water enough for stable buoyancy or a piece of lead?

And now you're back to typing gibberish.

Let me ask you this.

If I were to jump into a hole from your north pole to your south pole, where do I stop or do I just fall right through the other side?
It doesn't matter whether it's impossible. Just picture a hole right through. What do you think should happen or what is said to happen if it was feasible?

If the world were completely symmetrical around the north pole-south pole axis, you would accelerate until you reached terminal velocity, then continue to fall at pretty constant speed towards the centre. Once you passed the centre you would immediately begin to slow down until you stopped and began falling back towards the centre. This pendulum motion would continue until you came to a stop in the middle from the loss of energy due to air resistance.

The world isn't symmetrical though, so what would actually happen in reality would be that as you fell towards the centre of the earth, you'd pretty quickly get pulled towards the side of the hole where gravity had a marginally stronger pull, die a horrible death as your body was torn apart by whatever the sides of the hole were made of, and you'd send up a stain on the wall of the hole after probably only falling a few hundred feet.

That makes absolutely no sense.

It makes perfect sense to the open-minded.

It makes no sense to brainwashed sheeple who can't think for themselves and are only capable of parroting off the so-called facts they've learned from their authority figure who wrote the flat-earth guidebook 200 years ago.

But that it an utter bonkers version. It's meaningless.

No, your version is the bonkers version that makes no sense and doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Exactly as you might expect from such an argument from authority when your authority is a book written by a lunatic 200 years ago.

I think I'm proving a point to those that can see the utter silliness of water sticking to a globe but I understand I'm proving nothing to people who see absolutely nothing wrong with that.

All you're proving is that you don't understand what it is you're arguing against. You argument seems to make sense to you because you're not arguing against reality, you're arguing against some bizarre warped version of reality that only exists in your own mind.

And that accuracy is good enough to build skyscrapers. It's good enough to level ground.

They use more sophisticated modern digital versions nowadays to build skyscrapers. Ones that are thousands of times more accurate than trying to use a bubble in a tube and a human eye as a gauge.

It's good enough because it works on an Earth that absolutely is not a spinning globe we supposedly walk upon.

Absolutely IS a spinning globe. No backsies.

See how childish it is to keep repeating "it's not a spinning globe, it's not a spinning globe, it's not a spinning globe" over and over for 200 pages worth of posts?

Of course it won't, to those who believe a global curve, even though they will argue black and blue about a curve over a few miles that absolutely is not there.

Absolutely is there, as has been proven by Hawking's laser/boat experiment.

I don't need to prove it with a bathtub. That's just a basic observation and a simple experiment to start off water levelling off inside a container.
A bucket would suffice but any size container would show the same thing. A levelness and not a concave curve. Ponds or lakes or any water that is calm will show more than enough to prove there's no curvature.

No, if you use a sufficiently accurate measuring device, all the containers you mention would show a curve. You're not using a sufficiently accurate measuring device though.

Of course it isn't. Any child given the chance to argue for flat or curvature would opt for flat where water is concerned, as long as they were not under any peer pressure to do the opposite.

They probably would, until you showed them they were wrong by doing HONEST experiments using sufficiently accurate apparatus, after which they'd say "Wow, look, it really IS curved!"


Because like you, they think their eyes are enough until they're shown how wrong they were.

Because even a child know what their senses tell them just as adults do. Unfortunately when people are schooled, it's so easy to go with the flow, even if a square is said to be a circle.

Indeed. You have been schooled by the Flat Earth founder's book of lies that tells you a circle is a parabola. You're the absolute proof that some people that can't think for themselves will just repeat what they're told by authority figures.

For some reason, while being so adamant that such brainwashing of the feeble-minded is possible, you seem blissfully unaware that you're the one that's been brainwashed.

I don't struggle with that. I actually understand why people struggle with a simple point of water being flat and level when they're told it's curved around a ball.

Water isn't flat. Measure it properly in an HONEST experiment and you'll see. Continue to fake-measure it in your own DISHONEST experiment and you'll never get it.

It's massive peer pressure due to mass indoctrination.

The flat-earth nonsense you keep parroting? Yes it is.
 
Well a couple of weeks ago I picked out one individual who's work I had been reading about and asked a few simple question.
I can read any book by any author. Does it mean I know it to be fact if it's touted as fact? Or do I have to accept it as fact based on a person who puts it out as factual?
Then you come along and tell me it's factual. Why?
How do you know?

Is the person a liar and in on it?
Are you a liar for explaining the stuff you explained to me?
You don't need to be anything like a liar but it doesn't mean you can't be mistaken in your belief of following set narratives.
Is the person being conned?
Maybe, maybe not.
If they are in on it, at what stage of a space scientists career do they get brought into the cover-up cult.
I don't know.
At what stage does an actor get told to act out a script written for them?
You waffled a bit and didn't answer the questions.
I did; they just didn't suit you.
Because that is just one individual, scale that up to anyone who has been involved in the space program and you have an incredibly complex conspiracy.
Not at all.
The acting industry is an incredibly complex industry but people generally stick to their own....right?
What the hell does a "silver platter" mean?

It means you can argue from any point about Earth and space because it's all on a silver platter. It's all at your fingertips.
Because information is shared and verifiable by thousands if not millions it makes it less valid than the unsubstantiated ramblings of a Newcastle painter?
Information being verifiable means absolutely nothing. It just means info is passed on and could be nothing more than misinfo in many cases.
It certainly doesn't make any of it valid unless there's a proof on the end of that info. Otherwise it's just a form of hearsay.
 
See, that's the problem. The nature of physical sciences is that they take place on scales that are not at the size that can be presented in a medium you will believe - e.g., something you can do in your bathtub. Your refusal to credit well-established doctrines and even observable facts like ships disappearing over the horizon or the visibility of buildings in Chicago makes any internet-based explanation to you of something that is either larger or smaller than a human scale fundamentally a waste of time.

For you to ask for "proof" from someone's "fingertips" - i.e., the internet - when you will automatically dismiss that proof simply because it is not from a source you can personally replicate is laughably disingenuous. You're asking for exactly the type of source material that you automatically dismiss due to its very nature.
I think it is that view and scale he can't comprehend. One analogy I saw a bit ago regarding the shape of the galaxy was trying to determine the layout of your entire town from the bit you can see from your window. Astronomers have taken their best guess* based on the stars they can see and measurements to them.

Trying to work out the side of the world by a 2 ft spirit level on any body of water, be a pond, bath etc is just madness, but he can't understand that. The really silly thing is his own (wrong) rule says it doesn't work on that scale but is clings to it.


* Conspiracy theorists take best guess to mean "making it up with no basis, just paper and crayons", where a best guess is based on a hell of a lot of evidence with a recognition that the data is far from complete. Ironically the CTs use this to dismiss something then replace it with something made up with no basis, just paper and crayons.
 
See, that's the problem. The nature of physical sciences is that they often take place on scales that are not at the size that can be presented in a medium you will believe - e.g., something you can do in your bathtub. Your refusal to credit well-established doctrines and even observable facts like ships disappearing over the horizon or the visibility of buildings in Chicago makes any internet-based explanation to you of something that is either larger or smaller than a human scale fundamentally a waste of time.
That's because the theoretical horizon line is what loses a ship, not a downward curvature.
And that's on a large scale not a small scale.
For you to ask for "proof" from someone's "fingertips" - i.e., the internet - when you will automatically dismiss that proof simply because it is not from a source you can personally replicate is laughably disingenuous.
And for people to offer what they call, proof is also the very same if you want to go down that route.
You're asking for exactly the type of source material that you automatically dismiss due to its very nature.
I'll dismiss it for as long as it takes a person to offer real proof, otherwise the debate rolls on.
 
I can read any book by any author. Does it mean I know it to be fact if it's touted as fact? Or do I have to accept it as fact based on a person who puts it out as factual?
Then you come along and tell me it's factual. Why?
How do you know?


Are you a liar for explaining the stuff you explained to me?
You don't need to be anything like a liar but it doesn't mean you can't be mistaken in your belief of following set narratives.

Maybe, maybe not.

I don't know.
At what stage does an actor get told to act out a script written for them?

I did; they just didn't suit you.

Not at all.
The acting industry is an incredibly complex industry but people generally stick to their own....right?


It means you can argue from any point about Earth and space because it's all on a silver platter. It's all at your fingertips.

Information being verifiable means absolutely nothing. It just means info is passed on and could be nothing more than misinfo in many cases.
It certainly doesn't make any of it valid unless there's a proof on the end of that info. Otherwise it's just a form of hearsay.
So that doesn't answer anything. Instead of hand waving I suggested narrowing it down to a individual basis.

Your analogies with actors and films is the height of stupidity. An actor starts their career by acting. It is the job. Where does a space scientist start and then become in on the lie? It is all just deflection and waffle.

Again you fail to answer a basic question because the physics of your world doesn't work and actually supporting the conspiracy doesn't work. All you can do is repeat what you have watched on YouTube, like your 8 inch per mile squared rule. You cling to that but clearly didn't make it up and just happened to hit on the same rule as other flat earthers, despite being wrong.
 
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