Pitch invasion - EFL

[10 Trenches Deep]

I get where you’re coming from but, in reality, if we had a vote in here whether to allow drinking in the stands, I suspect the vast majority wouldn’t.

Why- because a small minority of people would abuse it, chuck pints around, and ruin the match for the majority of supporters.

When this happened, a minority of people would come in here defending it as kids having fun etc. etc.

Attendances would decrease as a result
If this behaviour leaving a higher proportion of idiots in the crowd to make the situation progressively worse.

Football, if we like it or not, is on a path to a more US experience with refreshments ordered in phones and delivered to seats in stands and no segregation all of which I would welcome- it’ll come, just maybe not in my lifetime.

Yes, I agree, but is doesn't change the fact it is an unjust law. Liking having beers in seats or not is irrelevant to the equity of the law.

Well we would just end up covered in beer after a goal.

Bit like a gig or festival.

Let's set the scene. Sunderland get recorder at the end of the game on Tuesday. It's lifted into the box, and Ballard stooped for it. Everyone around you had a beer in their hand!
What happens next?

beer shower and plastic pints in the air. I like that everyone has a beer in your situation though, I'm voting for your world.

 

[fellfell]

Not according to the law.

Entering the field of play without permission is illegal. Entering the stands is not.

As this is the law, opinions are not really relevant.

fair enough but what pisses me off is how a player can elbow or punch another with hundreds of coppers around and get away with it because its a controlled sporting environment. the club can ban people for running on the pitch, its allowed to. but for it to be criminal is a joke, if players dont get charged for assaulting. or a fight breaks out with players getting at each other. why should some fans who run on the pitch and dont cause harm be subject to arrest. the club are within its rights to ban whoever tho

 

[YorkMackem]

fair enough but what pisses me off is how a player can elbow or punch another with hundreds of coppers around and get away with it because its a controlled sporting environment. the club can ban people for running on the pitch, its allowed to. but for it to be criminal is a joke, if players dont get charged for assaulting. or a fight breaks out with players getting at each other. why should some fans who run on the pitch and dont cause harm be subject to arrest. the club are within its rights to ban whoever tho

Must have been 10k Charlton fans on the pitch last night like

 

[Mnemonic]

I gave you three examples: one you can compare to in every day life, one that is an event with an audience, and one extreme example. It's interesting that you only focused on the extreme example despite knowing all three would be wrong and unsafe - just as it is with running on a field of play. Wonder why.

If you actually want to know why it's deemed unsafe, and not just taking the piss:
Opposition players - we had Coventry players defending themselves as fans ran up to goad them. Not only that, but how the fuck do those players know their fans intentions - as far as I can tell, all that happened was shoves and a phone being thrown, what if one of those fans wanted to seriously hurt someone? What if one of the opp players perceived that they were going to do that and defended themselves with more force as multiple fans sprint at them?

Policing/Stewarding - They now have to focus on not only the fans in the stands that are already producing absolute carnage which is hard to manage, but also put their efforts into engaging the fans on the pitch and focusing on them. What if there's a medical emergency in the stands and you've now got more stewards focusing on the pitch than said stands? Stewarding is allocated by how many fans are in the stands, not by how many are all over incl. on the pitch.

A rush/crush - Hundreds of fans rushing towards a barrier that you have to climb over isn't safe. You know why - I'm not sure why you're pretending you can't grasp it.

Opposition fans reaction - Emotions running high, a reaction wouldn't he too surprising. Luckily at the SoL they're up in the Gods. They could have quite easily have gotten pissed off and turned to their counterpart home fans though, or even the fans below them. Coventry have a history of throwing objects down. If an object is thrown down and hits someone in the North Stand with no stewards to help because theyre dealing with those on the pitch - then what?

Those are just off the top of my head anorl. I'm sure if you asked the question 'How is it not safe?' to any H&S officer in the country they'd have an absolute field day.

That’s all just “what if”; however none of that happened.

No coventry players were harmed, there wasn’t a medical emergency, and the Coventry fans didn’t attack us.

So anyone measuring risk needs to assess both impact and likelihood. Given the evidenced likelihoods the overall risk is low.

 

[Sunderland Til I Cry]

anyone else see the lad drop his phone, cov player boot it away then rudoni pick it up and stick it in his shorts?

Yep watched the whole thing, Rudoni booted it across the pitch toward the byline, the kid who’s phone it was didn’t seem bothered tbh.

 

[Mnemonic]

I get where you’re coming from but, in reality, if we had a vote in here whether to allow drinking in the stands, I suspect the vast majority wouldn’t.

Why- because a small minority of people would abuse it, chuck pints around, and ruin the match for the majority of supporters.

When this happened, a minority of people would come in here defending it as kids having fun etc. etc.

Attendances would decrease as a result
If this behaviour leaving a higher proportion of idiots in the crowd to make the situation progressively worse.

Football, if we like it or not, is on a path to a more US experience with refreshments ordered in phones and delivered to seats in stands and no segregation all of which I would welcome- it’ll come, just maybe not in my lifetime.

So have a section where you can drink, and supporters can decide if they want that experience.

Just like standing or sitting.

 

[BarnesPark]

So have a section where you can drink, and supporters can decide if they want that experience.

Just like standing or sitting.

Fair point, but what about people who want to drink and don’t want to be soaked in beer? Do they get a section too?

Just not sure that football is so uniquely exciting that people can’t be trusted to keep their beer in their glass which they manage at every other sport.

 

[Mnemonic]

Fair point, but what about people who want to drink and don’t want to be soaked in beer? Do they get a section too?

Just not sure that football is so uniquely exciting that people can’t be trusted to keep their beer in their glass which they manage at every other sport.

Those people have a choice to drink and risk getting wet or not.

 

[BarnesPark]

Those people have a choice to drink and risk getting wet or not.

Ah….so the minority of idiots get their way.

Hardly seems fair.

 

[two left feet]

I don’t think we should be too hard in the folk who just got a bit carried away with the ecstasy of it all. Should be a stern telling off for them but nothing more.

Anyone who attacked the opposition though such as the moron who ran up to lampard should be banned

Trouble is, you either have a rule that is enforced or not. There cannot be any room for interpretation.

As such, every last one of the people who went in the pitch needs some form of punishment.

 

[ned_werby]

Yes, I agree, but is doesn't change the fact it is an unjust law. Liking having beers in seats or not is irrelevant to the equity of the law.

Bit like a gig or festival.

beer shower and plastic pints in the air. I like that everyone has a beer in your situation though, I'm voting for your world.

anyone soaks me in beer at the match and they're getting brayed. justified?

 

[Steve14]

Yep watched the whole thing, Rudoni booted it across the pitch toward the byline, the kid who’s phone it was didn’t seem bothered tbh.

It’s been recovered, the video is on X

 

[YorkMackem]

Trouble is, you either have a rule that is enforced or not. There cannot be any room for interpretation.

As such, every last one of the people who went in the pitch needs some form of punishment.

Interested to see what happens to the 10k Charlton fans who piled on last night

 

[Binxy]

Interested to see what happens to the 10k Charlton fans who piled on last night

Nowt will be said.

 

[BarnesPark]

Interested to see what happens to the 10k Charlton fans who piled on last night

This is the problem.

It’s all broken window theory and people feel emboldened to behave pricks because there is a liberal element of society telling them it’s their yoooman rights.

Had this behaviour been properly dealt with in the past, there wouldn’t have been 10000 on the pitch at Charlton last night.

 

[Mnemonic]

Ah….so the minority of idiots get their way.

Hardly seems fair.

Aye, lifes a shithouse.

 

[dangermows]

What harm was done? Anyone injured?

Did those doing it look passionate or lack-lustre?

The players wanted to celebrate with the fans, do you think Cirkin should be given a lifetime ban for jump into the stands?

I didn't go on the pitch, but the way you're going on like a retired traffic warden, saying it ruined your night is way more cringeworthy than a few kids running on the pitch.

We'd have Rigg and Neil also banned as they went in too, and before Cirkin.

 

[Mighty Boosh]

What?

The thing is though, the Burnley pitch invasion v Sheff U was similar - loads on it and no one injured (although the opposition took more flak than Coventry did from our lot).

Even in that case, lifetime bans were issued to everyone identified running onto the pitch - it might have set a precedent.

Did they ban all of them as this was what their local paper said a few days ago.

A letter which claimed fans who invaded the pitch after Burnley FC gained promotion into the Premier League have been hit with lifetime bans from Turf Moor is a fake.

During the club’s dramatic 2-1 victory over Sheffield United, fans rushed onto the pitch to celebrate with the players – despite prior warning from the club that such behaviour was not allowed.

After the incident, the club released a statement explaining that the invasion resulted in costly damage to LED boards around the perimeter of the pitch.

In a letter being shared on social media, it is claimed fans had now been identified and would receive lifetime bans.

The club has confirmed that the letter being posted online is a fake and has nothing to do with the club.

Following the win, chairman Alan Pace said: “As a club we are hugely grateful for the incredible support we receive. The atmosphere created at Turf Moor at Monday’s game was fantastic, it played a vital role in what made the game and celebrations so memorable.

“However, alongside the FA investigation, we are also looking into what happened at the final whistle and we are taking our own course as needed to make sure that the individuals involved face the appropriate sanctions.

“I want to make this clear, this includes identifying the fans who committed the damage to recover all costs incurred directly from them.”

Two men have already been arrested and will face charges for their involvement and have been issued with stadium bans.

 

[SAFC Wilks]

Did they ban all of them as this was what their local paper said a few days ago.

A letter which claimed fans who invaded the pitch after Burnley FC gained promotion into the Premier League have been hit with lifetime bans from Turf Moor is a fake.

During the club’s dramatic 2-1 victory over Sheffield United, fans rushed onto the pitch to celebrate with the players – despite prior warning from the club that such behaviour was not allowed.

After the incident, the club released a statement explaining that the invasion resulted in costly damage to LED boards around the perimeter of the pitch.

In a letter being shared on social media, it is claimed fans had now been identified and would receive lifetime bans.

The club has confirmed that the letter being posted online is a fake and has nothing to do with the club.

Following the win, chairman Alan Pace said: “As a club we are hugely grateful for the incredible support we receive. The atmosphere created at Turf Moor at Monday’s game was fantastic, it played a vital role in what made the game and celebrations so memorable.

“However, alongside the FA investigation, we are also looking into what happened at the final whistle and we are taking our own course as needed to make sure that the individuals involved face the appropriate sanctions.

“I want to make this clear, this includes identifying the fans who committed the damage to recover all costs incurred directly from them.”

Two men have already been arrested and will face charges for their involvement and have been issued with stadium bans.

It was the letter I was referring to, if it’s indeed fake then I’ll retract what I said for now.

 

[10 Trenches Deep]

anyone soaks me in beer at the match and they're getting brayed. justified?

See you in the mosh pit.

But of course not. You'd never get anywhere with that defence. It's an understandable response if you could even identify who threw the beer, but it's never going to be a defence for an assault change. Have you ever been to a gig or a festival? You wouldn't like it.