Tufnell was on the cusp of ‘my’ era but I think I’d take Leach over him. Giles is a funny one and depends on who else is in your tail I guess.
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Tufnell was on the cusp of ‘my’ era but I think I’d take Leach over him. Giles is a funny one and depends on who else is in your tail I guess.
Eggman
Winger
Yep. Both played at a time when we were a Jekyll and Hyde team and their averages weren’t the best.
Giles was a slow burner and eventually became a very useful no8
absolutely
tuffnell is a good bloke but he shouldn’t be advising people how to bowl spin in test matches.
Mr Redknapp
Striker
Interesting thread
I think Mo is way underrated too
clSs strike rate
spins the ball more than most off spinners in the world, he’s not one for keeping it tight though
He has tormented India in England
was perfect at number 8 in England on those wickets, late runs and attacking off spin
I think the dynamic of the team has changed now and they want a more defensive spinner, also he is not as good as he was
but he’s been a really good cricketer for England, I’d have him behind Swann obviously and probably Monty, but ahead of Giles. Tin hat on.
I think Mo is way underrated too
clSs strike rate
spins the ball more than most off spinners in the world, he’s not one for keeping it tight though
He has tormented India in England
was perfect at number 8 in England on those wickets, late runs and attacking off spin
I think the dynamic of the team has changed now and they want a more defensive spinner, also he is not as good as he was
but he’s been a really good cricketer for England, I’d have him behind Swann obviously and probably Monty, but ahead of Giles. Tin hat on.
chopsfc007
Striker
Shit in Odis mind average 50 with ball 25 bat
wayne entwhistle no9
Winger
Swann is the best spinner I have seen play for England since Underwood (although he was an uncovered wicket expert).
If he hadn't have been such an arrogant"know it all" in his early 20s when first selected for England especially the tour to South Africa in 1999/2000 he probably would have played well over a 100 tests and probably got a couple of hundred more wickets.
If he hadn't have been such an arrogant"know it all" in his early 20s when first selected for England especially the tour to South Africa in 1999/2000 he probably would have played well over a 100 tests and probably got a couple of hundred more wickets.
2nd point you might be right, but its also poor management by Hussain and Fletcher. You need all sorts of characters in a cricket team
Eggman
Winger
RBD Croft
Good shout.
Another who might have benefitted from playing in a better side.
The real cause of a lack of quality spinners is the green tops we play on in England
wayne entwhistle no9
Winger
Very loose description "all sorts of characters"
Swann was selected to early after being an outstanding teenage cricketer and wasn't mature enough but I agree Fletcher in particular held the grudge far to long after that initial tour. But even after that Swann kept showing lack of maturity at the academy under Rod Marsh and at Northants especially with Kepler wessels.
From experience part of it is genetic!
Well not really, he wasn't a bad apple, or a trouble maker really, he is just a bit lippy and cocky
Poor management for me for him not to be called up until 2009 like
Maybe not as early as those early tours, but deserved a call up before 2009, IMO anyway.
wayne entwhistle no9
Winger
Agreed but he made an arse of his early career a bit like Flintoff did (for different reasons) and paid the price.
hefty em
Striker
Voice of fair play
Striker
Sack Fatto
Striker
Absolutely no need to play Bess in India. Leach and Root surely a sensible option, freeing up a spot for a pace bowler.
Jack Torrance
Striker
I think Bess will play. Jimmy, Broad, Archer, Leach would be a long tail
Really? Anyone who has taken 100+ wickets in Test cricket has a valid opinion.
What I mean is he was a pretty mediocre bowler for England, but he talks like he is a much better bowler than Leach, his record suggests otherwise.
Maybe but Tufnell played in a team that never put scores on the board. All opinion I guess.
Wey thats not true is it like, England's weaknesses in recent years has been scoring big runs
