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RR OPINION: Cattermole Form Warrants International Recognition

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Cockney Mackem said:
We always have this debate over "world class" and "international class" - world class IMHO means a player who would get into any international squad in the world and would be at least discussed when someone is trying to name a current world XI. International class would mean, if he were playing at a world cup finals tournament, could he hold his own? Not necessarily best player on the field but not outclassed either.
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It depends on the country man. To play and excel with e.g. the USA is a far lower standard than playing and excelling with e.g. Germany

rocky said:
Gavin McCann represented England.
International class?
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No, he was dropped instantly
 
UaeExile said:
What a load of crap. "Handful"? Really?



Interesting you should point that out, because surely I'm not the only person who thinks the pace we play at is completely unacceptable? The only thing that will change that is someone in the team driving things forward.
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2 this season. How many at the end of last season? Which, btw, was months ago. Most people don't tend to consider something as from when there's been a break of 4 months.
 
sonson said:
2 this season. How many at the end of last season? Which, btw, was months ago. Most people don't tend to consider something as from when there's been a break of 4 months.
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OK. So Cattermole's has only had two good games, because the others don't count.......?
 
GK said:
It depends on the country man. To play and excel with e.g. the USA is a far lower standard than playing and excelling with e.g. Germany



No, he was dropped instantly
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So what about the likes of Carlton Palmer and Geoff Thomas who got numerous caps? What about Steve Bruce? Easily good enough to ply for England but was never capped. Keith Curle was picked ahead of him.
 
RTG said:
A massively noticeable upturn in form from Sunderland's midfield general should, but probably won't, lead to an international call up, writes @GavinSAFC. When Lee Cattermole was handed the man of the match award following on from Sunday's draw against Manchester United it was recognition for a level of performance that Sunderland fans have come...

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Stop being silly!
 
GK said:
Henderson, Wilshere, Barkley, Milner, Chamberlain

Defensive midfielder is a bit of a crisis position for England - putting in a player who isn't good enough isn't the answer though. He'd get slaughtered.
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How comes he tends to play well for us against very good sides and is rarely slaughtered?
 
rocky said:
So what about the likes of Carlton Palmer and Geoff Thomas who got numerous caps? What about Steve Bruce? Easily good enough to ply for England but was never capped. Keith Curle was picked ahead of him.
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Palmer and Thomas are still running jokes. If that is international class in your world (and the definition is completely subjective) then he is international class. If international class is someone who shines at that level then he is nowhere near.

Keith Curle was a decent player mind but it is a travesty that Brice was never picked - real exceptional circumstances.

rocky said:
How comes he tends to play well for us against very good sides and is rarely slaughtered?
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Because he plays for Sunderland and not England.
 
GK said:
Henderson, Wilshere, Barkley, Milner, Chamberlain

Defensive midfielder is a bit of a crisis position for England - putting in a player who isn't good enough isn't the answer though. He'd get slaughtered.
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Cattermole would be better than every one of those as a defensive midfielder IMO. It's part of the reason that Cleverley gets slated for both England and United. He's asked to do a job that he isn't suited for.
 
PhilSAFC said:
People are getting massively carried away like :lol: 2 games in man :lol:
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People may be getting carried away but it isn't only 2 games, he was bang in form at the end of last season as well

If England changed to 3 in the middle I think he'd have a chance to at least get in the squad for a friendly. Mind I love Catts so I'm biased
 
The Cabbage said:
Cattermole would be better than every one of those as a defensive midfielder IMO. It's part of the reason that Cleverley gets slated for both England and United. He's asked to do a job that he isn't suited for.
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As I said, its a real crisis position and Cattermole isn't the answer
 
GK said:
As I said, its a real crisis position and Cattermole isn't the answer
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I look around and see very few who would be a better one, though. I'd put Carrick in there every single time but he is injured and in the twilight of his career. We simply have to start playing tournament footy if we ever want to be anything other than also-rans. Steamrollering Macedonia every two years means little. We need to move to a genuine three in the middle as our conceding the central area of the park is at the root of all of our failures over the past 20 odd years. Granted there's a dearth of players who do that job in the Prem as 4-2-3-1 is the fashionable formation du jour - hence Hodgson's ridiculous use of it in recent times. However, I can't see many who can do the job better than Cattermole on current form. I'd choose Catts over Gerrard to do that job ten times out of ten, for instance.
 
The Cabbage said:
I look around and see very few who would be a better one, though. I'd put Carrick in there every single time but he is injured and in the twilight of his career. We simply have to start playing tournament footy if we ever want to be anything other than also-rans. Steamrollering Macedonia every two years means little. We need to move to a genuine three in the middle as our conceding the central area of the park is at the root of all of our failures over the past 20 odd years. Granted there's a dearth of players who do that job in the Prem as 4-2-3-1 is the fashionable formation du jour - hence Hodgson's ridiculous use of it in recent times. However, I can't see many who can do the job better than Cattermole on current form. I'd choose Catts over Gerrard to do that job ten times out of ten, for instance.
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I wouldn't choose Catermole over Gerrard ecause of Gerrards far far superior distribution/goalscoring. He's not the best in the world at that position granted but he scored 14 and had 14 assists last season. True he made errors but I will never ever forget Cattermole against Villa, Hull and City away.
 
UaeExile said:
OK. So Cattermole's has only had two good games, because the others don't count.......?
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Aye, cos that's what I said, you child.

He's had frequent periods of putting 3 or 4 games together then having 2 or 3 bad ones. That's my point. It's hardly rare for him to have a good string of games together. He's had two so far. If, after half a season, he's had a good number of games better than worse, than I'll believe he's reached the sort of performance level required. Otherwise, I'll just continue to think there's a reason he's here rather than somewhere better, because for all he's great on his day he's also excellent at self sabotage and playing badly to the same extent.
 
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