FootballFan
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Thats good to hear.
October 2020 - Getting worse across Europe.
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Thats good to hear.
thehighground
Striker
Old news mate and out of date , the data coming from the vaccination roll out debunks most of that.
Get your facts right please.
Quoting you "The bottom line is that EU countries don't have sufficient AZ vaccine anyway. It is not yet approved by the FDA (and probably won't be until April)."
Incorrect .
The FT yesterday did an article updating the facts I suggest you read it. Here's a snippet.
Its not a supply issue its an issue of mistrust fostered by the negligent statements made by those in authority who were clearly pissed at how well the UK is doing. '
" As of Friday, France had administered 16 per cent of the 1.1m doses of the two-injection vaccine it received since the first delivery in early February, according to health ministry data. As of Thursday, Germany had given a little over one-fifth of the 1.45 million doses, about the same proportion as Italy, which has received over 1m doses. Spain has used just under a third of a total of 808,000 doses as of Friday."
Full article.
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The way you post, you would think there were only two countries in the EU, Germany and France. How can you not get it through your head that quite a few countries have decided not to give the AZ vaccine to over 65s and this happens to be the group that is being vaccinated at the moment. The reason why they are not approving it is because there is no data on its effectiveness for over 65s whereas the other vaccines have.
In Ireland, we are well up to date with the vaccination programme (2nd after Denmark in the EU), and we have not got a sufficient supply of the vaccine (although ordered and meant to arrive last Friday). Because of the erratic supply, a lot of countries may decide to keep half the vaccines anyway for the 2nd vaccination needed.
ontap
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"there is no data on its effectiveness for over65s" ? there's shit loads of data mate am not going to source it for you , the Uk is just about finished vaccinating over 65s and hospital admissions have dropped 94% . The up to date figures are actually spectacular , but you keep looking at old data.
FoldingStars
Midfield
Surely if the EU had a look at the erratic supply issues they would think lets send 25k of the unused supply sitting in fridges in Germany and France to Ireland as they can use them. they will get them replaced before they will be needed as they currently have only used 25% of the supply they have been given.
Or is it just easier for countries in the EU to blame the company trying to make enough doses of a vaccine to help protect the population of the world rather than look at themselves for solutions?
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bahtat
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We’re going round in circles, based on its use in UK evidence has been published of its effectiveness for over 65s, end of and EU placed orders for vaccines 3 months after U.K. and said that they underestimated the complexities of vaccine manufacture, the U.K. doesn’t have significant supply problems the EU does but it’s the manufacturers fault, u couldn’t make it up
thehighground
Striker
You just better hope that you don't get the SA variant in the UK.
(FYI, most countries have had a fall in cases and deaths as well, so it can't all be just vaccine, lockdowns might have something to do with it as well).
Possibly, if AZ had given some notice that they were not going to deliver. They told the HSE on Friday that they would not be delivering on the day delivery was meant to arrive.
Not sure what your point is - the EU is buying vaccines from anywhere it can get a supply from. Its not putting all its eggs in the one basket. For example, it just bought 200 million J&J vaccines in which Ireland will get 2 million by June which is enough to vaccinate half the population. In the meantime, we are getting vaccines from Pfizer, Moderna and AZ.
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PrisonBroken
Midfield
You are out of date, and there has never been no data on the over sixty fives, just perhaps not as much as ideal.
This data always showed that the AZ vaccine was highly effective at preventing mortality and serious disease and now we have the Scotland study which backs this up. Indeed both vaccines are doing a great job.
The leaders casting doubt have now been proven wrong and if they continue it will be at the expense of their own electorates lives... Their call I suppose but I think Macron and Merkel need to fix their error as quick as they can
bomber
Striker
6 weeks into lock down,not long enough to really bothered me especially in winter,another 3 or so weeks to go by which time i'll be looking forward to eating out and a few beers out.
FootballFan
Striker
Isn't the Scotland study still waiting on peer review?
El Matador
Striker
You need to get real. The world does not only consist of Britain and Europe. Are you advocating the whole world gets vaccinated before next winter ? Nice one if so. Don't forget there will always be a percentage of the world who don't get vaccinated for one reason or another.
thehighground
Striker
Can you explain then why the FDA have not approved the AZ vaccine? Fair play to the British people if they don't mind being guinea pigs and we should be very grateful to you for being guinea pigs. (By the way, the AZ is not effective enough against the South African variant).
The EU signed the contract for the AZ vaccine the day before the UK did. It also put up over €300m up front and EU based AZ manufacturers supplied the UK with vaccines last December when its own manufacturing wasn't working.
AZ is an inexperienced vaccine producer. Thats the problem.
The FDA doesn't agree with you. They declined approving it in the US because of a lack of data. And it has to be said, AZ was very slow providing the EMA with data (it didn't submit data until 12th January, 2 weeks after the UK had actually started using the vaccine).
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This is not true at all. The AZ vaccine has less success with preventing mild illness, but it is still thought that it prevents serious illness and death from the South African variant.
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Sir Lancelot
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The FDA are notoriously slow in approving anything.
The AZ vaccine still prevents hospitalisation and deaths even with the SA variant but it doesn’t prevent low level disease. Personally I would take my chances with the vaccine to reduce the risk of death and just deal with any low level disease.
FootballFan
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This is not true at all. The AZ vaccine has less success with preventing mild illness, but it is still thought that it prevents serious illness and death from the South African variant.
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who thinks that?
Covid-19: South Africa pauses use of Oxford vaccine after study casts doubt on efficacy against variant
Rollout of the Oxford-AstraZeneca covid-19 vaccine in South Africa has been paused after a study in 2000 healthy and young volunteers reported that it did not protect against mild and moderate disease caused by the new variant (501Y.V2) that emerged there. The study, which has not been...
thehighground
Striker
This is not true at all. The AZ vaccine has less success with preventing mild illness, but it is still thought that it prevents serious illness and death from the South African variant.
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Not what that article says:
“A two-dose regimen of [the vaccine] did not show protection against mild-moderate Covid-19 due to [the South African variant]”, the study says, adding that efficacy against severe Covid-19, hospitalisations and deaths was not yet determined.
FootballFan
Striker
Exactly.
Thewho thinks that?
Covid-19: South Africa pauses use of Oxford vaccine after study casts doubt on efficacy against variant
Rollout of the Oxford-AstraZeneca covid-19 vaccine in South Africa has been paused after a study in 2000 healthy and young volunteers reported that it did not protect against mild and moderate disease caused by the new variant (501Y.V2) that emerged there. The study, which has not been...www.bmj.com
Sarah Gilbert, lead researcher on the Oxford Vaccine Development Programme.who thinks that?
Covid-19: South Africa pauses use of Oxford vaccine after study casts doubt on efficacy against variant
Rollout of the Oxford-AstraZeneca covid-19 vaccine in South Africa has been paused after a study in 2000 healthy and young volunteers reported that it did not protect against mild and moderate disease caused by the new variant (501Y.V2) that emerged there. The study, which has not been...
you seem to be getting a raging bonk on with putting the uk down mind.
It is quite literally exactly what it says.
Sarah Gilbert, lead researcher on the Oxford Vaccine Development Programme, told the BBC on Sunday that she was hopeful the jab would still prove effective in preventing severe illness.
“What we’re seeing from other vaccine developers is that they have a reduction in efficacy against some of the variant viruses,” she said. “What that is looking like is that we may not be reducing the total number of cases. There’s still protection in that case against deaths, hospitalisations and severe disease.”
FootballFan
Striker
He is quoting facts, not putting the UK down, thats a silly way to look at it. Its not a bloody competition.
