NUFC thread 2021.

[Nuneaton Youth]

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[Squat]

A) I didn't ask if £30m a year was too much to ask, so I've no idea why you've put it in quotes like I did. I said spend money recouped by sales, and MAYBE a base of £30m is a safer gamble than rolling the dice on Bruce. That doesn't mean £30m every season, it doesn't even mean £30m as a minimum. What it means is maybe a base of £30m. e.g. we finish midtable, we haven't sold anyone for a profit, there's a player available and interest around the £30m mark, Ashley covers that (as he was reportedly willing to do for Joelinton). You have, as is your want, taken what I've written, repurposed it and stretched it to an extreme.

B) Few were complaining when we finished 10th and 13th under the previous manager because there was very clear progression in the quality on the pitch. (so much for high expectations) Fans were less impressed when that progress was chipped away at last season, and there's dismay as it's been wiped out this season. All Ashley had to do to maintain midtable stability was to cede control of the transfers to a good football manager. Make him spend within the budget, fine, but let him decide to spend £16m on Rondon, instead of spunking £40m up the wall on Joelinton, let him maintain the solid defence instead of gambling that a hasbeen/neverwas can do enough to keep NUFC up. Yes Benitez will make mistakes in the market, but he'll also keep you up. And if he's working with the money he makes from selling players, he's got nobody to blame but himself if they flop.

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The way some of you lot will twist yourselves in knots to score a point against your 'rivals' is fascinating.

Ashley invested about 100m in 2015 just before Benitez arrived. Benitez just reinvested that money from 2016 to 2018.
That’s the same as investing 25m a season. Net. After player sales.
Whats the difference?
And its been another 30m+ a season since then.
Isn’t that exactly what you are saying you want?

 

[maguire9]

A just divaant undastand man.

 

[Football Dinosaur]

Ashley invested about 100m in 2015 just before Benitez arrived. Benitez just reinvested that money from 2016 to 2018.
That’s the same as investing 25m a season. Net. After player sales.
Whats the difference?
And its been another 30m+ a season since then.
Isn’t that exactly what you are saying you want?

But but NET SPEND MAN!!!!! Wah wah wah

 

[Deleted member 48931]

The economics of the club mean, bar some luck, you are always going to be a lower half/top half Championship team. 25 years ago you had a freak period funded by being bankrolled. But now the world has changed and TV money is the driver and proximity to London is more important as a driver of commercial revenue.

The match day revenue is limited as it is 'loyal" fans buying little beyond the match ticket. Commercial revenue is limited due to NE's reliance on public sector and few if any FTSE companies HQ's in the area. The recent "success" was in a pre-digital era and the club has a limited footprint in Asia, Africa and North America. Ashley threw some money at the club early doors but quickly realised he was on a hiding to nothing. Despite being shown hard evidence that the club does not generate this extra 30m pounds per season you still think "maybe" he should find it. I have no idea what you do day to day but I hope it doesn't involve numbers as you are clueless when it comes to numbers. Even the money he is owed is at close to zero interest which blows @Cloughie out of the water.

How does it blow my argument out of the water sorry?

So in other words he has ran the club sensibly and put his own money in to cover costs of transfers etc which most owners would do. He also went big and brought Rafa to the club (who you lot seem to adore for some reason), a big name manager and he still got you relegated playing appalling football. So it looks like Ashley cant win with you deluded morons

Couple of weeks ago actually. So thats 2 trophies since you last won one

Couple of weeks ago actually. So thats 2 trophies since you last won one

Neither was Rafa then as he got you relegated

I don't know how you've read all that and come to that conclusion. Also, he didn't go big for Rafa, Benitez approached the club. It's a shame you can't just call a spade a spade on this one as it could actually open up some decent debates.

 

[Houghtoner]

We’d be at the same level of anger as them in their current situation with Bruce, let’s be honest. But the idea that it’s some shocking catastrophe if they go down is bonkers. They were only in the Championship four years ago.

 

[Football Dinosaur]

We’d be at the same level of anger as them in their current situation with Bruce, let’s be honest. But the idea that it’s some shocking catastrophe if they go down is bonkers. They were only in the Championship four years ago.

Best tell that ti Barton apparently he thinks the don't go down
Must have missed the 3 recent relegations

 

[Deleted member 48931]

What a b@st@rd, can’t believe even he would stoop that low.

1. That’s called living within your means, balancing the books, keeping the club safe, etc... Would you rather he adopted the Leeds or Sunderland approach?
2. That’s what the supporter of every club would hope their owner would do.
3. Apart from the big 6, you’ve just described the rest of the clubs in the Premier and probably all league clubs hoping to get there.

Time for your lot to wake up, these things happen, ask WBA, Sheffield, Norwich, Leeds, Wolves, etc... you can have bad seasons, that’s life.

To be clear, I've no issue with a bad season. The first relegation was a 'bad season'. What we're seeing now is a conscious gamble that is in no way necessary. The teams you've mentioned, funnily enough, have all also invested in their infrastructure while doing so. I assume there's an excuse for why we haven't? Should we just accept that too?

That's the Ashley argument in a nutshell. There's always a reason for why it's happening.

1.) It's not living within your means when you strive for a profit in every window at the cost of the playing staff. I'd love my bank account to be in the black at all times, but on occassion, something comes up that means I have to dip into my savings or my overdraft. The football team is always the priority, not the balance sheet. There's no trophy for net spend.

2.) A continuation of point one. After not investing sufficiently in the squad/manager, why should the club be saddled with these debts? We've said from the moment Bruce was appointed - he will get us relegated - so now we also have to take on board another £40-50m of debt because the owner's a f***ing numbskull? That's why I say to you mate, these aren't good-faith decisions. He knew Bruce was a massive downgrade on Rafa, hence why he let him sign Fraser, Wilson, and 'proven quality'.

3.) Really? I don't see that happening at Everton. And even if we accept your premise, at least those clubs when they come up try to push forward, they don't stop swimming when they get there. They invest in the academy or use the money to make the club better. We don't. There's a reason there are young lads who pick Sunderland over Newcastle even though we're divisions apart - you have better facilities.

 

[Blue_Monday]

When Bruce took over, most mags thought they would be relegated in his 1st season and cited the ‘terrible squad’ as one of the reasons. This is the same terrible squad that Rafa left behind. Yet Bruce somehow managed to match Rafa’s ‘success’, despite not having Rondon and Perez.

Likewise, most mags I know seemed pleased with last summer’s transfer business, bringing in Wilson, Hendricks and Fraser was generally considered a good bit of business at the time and supposedly improved the squad.

Bruce took over a steady mid table team and managed to maintain that in his first season due to the good coaching of the manager he had succeeded , he has since managed to ruin all that good coaching whilst spending about 80 million to try and improve the team only to take it backwards and now on the verge of relegation.

He was given over £100m to spend.

Built a team good enough to get out the championship due to the funds raised from selling the players that wanted to leave after relegation , he then had to shop in the bargain basement once promotion was achieved and managed to finish mid table with a really poor squad.

 

[Binxy]

Bruce took over a steady mid table team and managed to maintain that in his first season due to the good coaching of the manager he had succeeded , he has since managed to ruin all that good coaching whilst spending about 80 million to try and improve the team only to take it backwards and now on the verge of relegation.

Built a team good enough to get out the championship due to the funds raised from selling the players that wanted to leave after relegation , he then had to shop in the bargain basement once promotion was achieved and managed to finish mid table with a really poor squad.

"The only complaints were if the manager had been given a bit of money"

He was given money, over £100m.

 

[Deleted member 1169]

How does it blow my argument out of the water sorry?

I don't know how you've read all that and come to that conclusion. Also, he didn't go big for Rafa, Benitez approached the club. It's a shame you can't just call a spade a spade on this one as it could actually open up some decent debates.

You claimed he Ashley was taking money of the club. MSD are charging teams such as Burnley 7.9% interest whereas Ashley is note earning anything on his 111mn loan (note 7.9% of 111m is 8.8m of interest foregone).

You may not be The_Fish but you are as dull as him so I will put you also on ignore.

 

[The Fish]

The safety of 11th you say.

Alan Pardew averaged around 11th.
You must have forgotten,
SackPardew.com
Conckney mafia out
Etc,etc....

Which brings the old progression conversation up again. Pardew's teams went on unbelievable winless runs, and when we lost we were hammered. There were points of the seasons, bar the 5th finish, that we'd be in a real relegation fight. When Wolves average 11th, there's a consistency to it, you can see what they're trying to do.

The cockney mafia was as much about the owner and Llambias as it was Pardew.

 

[Binxy]

Which brings the old progression conversation up again. Pardew's teams went on unbelievable winless runs, and when we lost we were hammered. There were points of the seasons, bar the 5th finish, that we'd be in a real relegation fight. When Wolves average 11th, there's a consistency to it, you can see what they're trying to do.

The cockney mafia was as much about the owner and Llambias as it was Pardew.

Changing the goalposts again.

 

[The Fish]

Ashley invested about 100m in 2015 just before Benitez arrived. Benitez just reinvested that money from 2016 to 2018.
That’s the same as investing 25m a season. Net. After player sales.
Whats the difference?
And its been another 30m+ a season since then.
Isn’t that exactly what you are saying you want?

I want the manager to be trusted to build a team (as RB was in the Champ), instead of recruitment based on resale value rather than fit for the team.

Changing the goalposts again.

Nope, just clarifying to negate your tedious "gotcha" type replies.

 

[Bears Beets]

Day after day,
Paragraph after paragraph
What a shit life

 

[Deleted member 48931]

You claimed he Ashley was taking money of the club. MSD are charging teams such as Burnley 7.9% interest whereas Ashley is note earning anything on his 111mn loan (note 7.9% of 111m is 8.8m of interest foregone).

You may not be The_Fish but you are as dull as him so I will put you also on ignore.

I gave you the example of the Puma kit deal, referenced his business practices with Rangers, and talked about the free advertising he wasn't paying for or likely paying under market value for. We're like the only Premier League team that has seen commercial revenue stagnate.

By all means, put me on ignore, but it won't change the facts of the matter.

 

[Safc88]

Which brings the old progression conversation up again. Pardew's teams went on unbelievable winless runs, and when we lost we were hammered. There were points of the seasons, bar the 5th finish, that we'd be in a real relegation fight. When Wolves average 11th, there's a consistency to it, you can see what they're trying to do.

The cockney mafia was as much about the owner and Llambias as it was Pardew.

Pardew did a better job than rafa, not 1 mag would admit that though

 

[The Fish]

Pardew did a better job than rafa, not 1 mag would admit that though

I mean, we can reduce Pardew to finishing 5th that one season if you really, really, need to make a really dumb statement, but it's a bit silly isn't it?

 

[Zak's Dad]

We’d be at the same level of anger as them in their current situation with Bruce, let’s be honest. But the idea that it’s some shocking catastrophe if they go down is bonkers. They were only in the Championship four years ago.

Definitely.

To be honest I've not watched a lot of premiership football since we left it, so when I watched the Brighton match I was genuinely shocked at how poor they were.

It's not just Bruce's inability to man manage, or how he sets the team up, or is unable to make changes to affect the match.

The players genuinely had that air of 'not trying' that he managed to foster in our team at the end. Brighton were passing the ball down the flanks with simple passes and getting to the byline and not a single NUFC player 'pressing' was getting within 10 feet of the ball.

The 2 long range efforts that went in both had 2 Brighton players following up on the shots in case they were saved and pushed out - whilst the Newcastle players were stood still just seeing what happened.

I watched it and thought that they genuinely had the look of a team getting relegated.

If they've played like that for a while no wonder the fans are furious and it definitely won't be a shock if they get relegated.

 

[Safc88]

I mean, we can reduce Pardew to finishing 5th that one season if you really, really, need to make a really dumb statement, but it's a bit silly isn't it?

Does finishing 5th not count? Rafa relegated you. Although of course that wasnt his fault and pardew doesnt get the credit for getting you into europe