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NUFC thread 2021.

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What A Waster said:
In which season did they perform better?
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Depends which season was the stronger league.
What if Liverpool, Man United, Chelsea all spend hundreds of millions improving their squads and gave Man City a real run for their money. I dare say winning a strong league with 85 pts is more of an achievement than winning a piss weak league with 100.
 
Binxy said:
Depends which season was the stronger league.
What if Liverpool, Man United, Chelsea all spend hundreds of millions improving their squads and gave Man City a real run for their money. I dare say winning a strong league with 85 pts is more of an achievement than winning a piss weak league with 100.
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Go easy on the common sense, it’ll confuse the fish. Some people don’t seem to understand that squads change, new players need time to adapt, key players can get long term injuries, players get older and slower, clubs change managers, etc...
 
Mr B said:
Go easy on the common sense, it’ll confuse the fish. Some people don’t seem to understand that squads change, new players need time to adapt, key players can get long term injuries, players get older and slower, clubs change managers, etc...
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You know when you've got one over them, @The Fish as gone very quiet.🤐
 
Secret Visage said:
f***ing hell, mags qustioning Man City winning the league :lol:
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I'm not questioning it. I'm using them in first place in two seperate seasons with different points totals to show that you can measure performance on something other than league position
Binxy said:
Depends which season was the stronger league.
What if Liverpool, Man United, Chelsea all spend hundreds of millions improving their squads and gave Man City a real run for their money. I dare say winning a strong league with 85 pts is more of an achievement than winning a piss weak league with 100.
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So a team's own performance is only quantifiable by how well other teams do? That is something which they have no control over, the only results they can influence are their own.
 
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Red nose day on Friday so it will be apt if the mags drop in to the bottom 3 come 10pm on Friday having said that I still think they will stop up
 
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What A Waster said:
I'm not questioning it. I'm using them in first place in two seperate seasons with different points totals to show that you can measure performance on something other than league position


So a team's own performance is only quantifiable by how well other teams do? That is something which they have no control over, the only results they can influence are their own.
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There's many variables that quantify which seasons are better than others.

Finishing higher in the league (obviously in mid table) by 1 or 2 places or finishing on 46 points as apose to 44 points doesn't necessarily mean you've performed better, there's lots of things to consider like squad changes (not just your own but other teams) there's also three different teams in the league (how stronger or weaker are those than the ones they replaced) were you unlucky with refereeing decisions or injuries.

Like I say many variables.
 
What A Waster said:
I'm not questioning it. I'm using them in first place in two seperate seasons with different points totals to show that you can measure performance on something other than league position


So a team's own performance is only quantifiable by how well other teams do? That is something which they have no control over, the only results they can influence are their own.
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Surely you can only compare seasons if they are like for like and all squads remain the same. If Wolves get Jimenez back and spend £150m in the summer, they’ll probably beat most of the teams they struggled against this season. Those other teams may have better squads themselves than the previous year but still end up with less points, so you can’t really compare them.
Binxy said:
There's many variables that quantify which seasons are better than others.

Finishing higher in the league (obviously in mid table) by 1 or 2 places or finishing on 46 points as apose to 44 points doesn't necessarily mean you've performed better, there's lots of things to consider like squad changes (not just your own but other teams) there's also three different teams in the league (how stronger or weaker are those than the ones they replaced) were you unlucky with refereeing decisions or injuries.

Like I say many variables.
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I’m out of this argument now, just realised that they’re only trying to justify their claim that Rafa was taking them forward, despite going backwards. You can‘t win against mag logic.
 
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You also have the variables of a cup run. Is 2nd in the league but winning two domestic cups and getting to a European final a worse season than the one where you stroll the league by 20+ points but don't go anywhere in the cups?
 
Just been speaking with me mate who’s a City fan and we both agree that Newcaste must be the shittest most boring club to support in the land.
Turgid football, yoyo club, 0 success since 1969 , 10 games without a win in derbies, their only game that really matters. No cup final appearances this millennium.
But they did come second 25 year ago I suppose.
 
What A Waster said:
Man City are gonna win the league this season.
If they win all their remaining games, they will get 85 points.
In 2018 they finished 1st with 100 points.

Are both seasons equally as good?
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:lol: yes
Binxy said:
Depends which season was the stronger league.
What if Liverpool, Man United, Chelsea all spend hundreds of millions improving their squads and gave Man City a real run for their money. I dare say winning a strong league with 85 pts is more of an achievement than winning a piss weak league with 100.
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what, you mean like comparing themselves against other teams and finishing above them? position wise?
 
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The Fish said:
I didn't say that placings were entirely immaterial. I was simply stating that for teams in the midtable positions getting more points is a sign of progression. Even if that isn't reflected in final league position. e.g. 45pts can get you anywhere between 10th and 15th (off the top of my head.) One season you get 43pts and sit pretty in 13th, the next season you're 15th on 45pts. By your rationale, the team has regressed, even though it's got more points and cannot impact the position of other teams outside it's own fixtures. That's daft.
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As placings gain prize money but points don't they're as important as xGs in this argument! Yet again a mag comes on here and try to twist an argument to fit their hatred of Ashley and Bruce. Just accept there is very little difference in Bruce's first year to benetiz seasons. You'll likely rattle on about net spend next, something else the vast majority of supporters don't care about. Sky have an awful not to be sorry for over the years
samsafc said:
Just been speaking with me mate who’s a City fan and we both agree that Newcaste must be the shittest most boring club to support in the land.
Turgid football, yoyo club, 0 success since 1969 , 10 games without a win in derbies, their only game that really matters. No cup final appearances this millennium.
But they did come second 25 year ago I suppose.
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But they did get a certificate which had their star midfielder buzzing iirc ;)
 
What A Waster said:
I'm not questioning it. I'm using them in first place in two seperate seasons with different points totals to show that you can measure performance on something other than league position


So a team's own performance is only quantifiable by how well other teams do? That is something which they have no control over, the only results they can influence are their own.
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Not true. The Butterfly Effect means that if you decide to sit down instead of stand up for a piss before the match it will effect the result of every match.
 
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