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NUFC thread 2021.

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The Fish said:
Short got it wrong, but at least you can say that while in the Premier League, he backed the managers. Then he left you debt free, right?

The Donald and Methven pair of clowns were obviously charlatans from the off and if you ever want to get back in the top flight you need to get shot as soon as possible.

Just because you've got a shit owner, doesn't mean ours is good. Ashley is bad, he's admitted it himself. Wise, Keegan, Kinnear, Shearer, Pardew, McClaren, Bruce, none of them should have been given their jobs. He never should have renamed the stadium because it was always going to get more negative press than positive, and therefore it was never going to be an attractive branding opportunity for a company. Hell, even Wonga knew that the best thing they could do is revert the name to St James'.

Ashley wanted a plaything for a bit, then to sell us for a profit. Unfortunately he thought running a club was the same as running a business. It isn't.
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No, he left some debt behind. That debt was paid down with parachute payments I'm pretty sure.
As far as staffing, your club in the past decade has bought and then sold on some players for real decent money.
He may nor be as ambitious as you would like but he’s not in it to lose money. Hence not chasing after Benitez.He’s gotten the same results for less money. That’s good business as long as you stay up.
 
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Wolfbeard said:
agree to an extent. I am sure if we never had the seasyeaons we had in the decade before him he would be thought of as a decent owner by all NUFC fans. It is the stats like 15 years before Ashley = 0 relegations, 15 years with Ashley =2 relegations. 15 years prior to Ashley 9 top six finishes, 15 years with Ashley= 1 top six finish. That is what he gets judged on.
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yeah its all relative isnt it, if birmingham, sunderland, forest, ipswich, coventry had the playing record newcastle had under ashley, and he was more low profile, not done stuff like wind up keegan, treat guitierrez like crap, id say most would be reasonably happy despite the shite football of bruce, benitez,pulis etc etc to stay in the league.

the generation of 92'ers will only know the period of almost winning the league,biggest spenders, the bobby robson seasons and have higher expectations.

due to thd big 5 though the game has changed since blackburn or newcastle could buy the title or near enough,it would take impossible money, so what ashley does probably might be accepted if he had some charisma or was honest aboutwhat the club can afford.
 
safcrob said:
I notice even some Sunderland supporters on here would like him gone, cant understand why maybe because he's a fat greedy bastard who couldn't give a fuck as long as he's earning the dough or because he's a cockney.
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He’s doing a fantastic job and is far better than the scruffy bastards deserve. I hope he stays there til his dying day and lives to be 100
 
The Fish said:
Agree with most of this, but I want him gone because of what you said in the first sentence coupled with his need to have things his way.

Not caring about football would be fine if he employed a director of football, or a chairman, to run the club for him. Instead, he's lurched from bad decision to disaster because he's too much of a dickhead to give control to someone else. He could have spent less overall if he'd spent money on the academy, the training ground, the scout network. Employ a competent Managing Director and reap the rewards of consistent Premier League football, a steady stream of saleable assets coming through the youth system and the commerical deals that are enjoyed by other Premier League clubs.

Won't see the back of him for a while.
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That's exactly what he's done. Ashley is not, and never has been, a director at Newcastle.
 
Wolfbeard said:
agree to an extent. I am sure if we never had the seasons we had in the decade before him he would be thought of as a decent owner by all NUFC fans. It is the stats like 15 years before Ashley = 0 relegations, 15 years with Ashley =2 relegations. 15 years prior to Ashley 9 top six finishes, 15 years with Ashley= 1 top six finish. That is what he gets judged on.
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That’s quite refreshing to here a mag acknowledge that. A lot of your support got on board in the mid 90s thats just a fact. I know we say formed in 1992, but yous took off at just the right time. The sky coverage and the fact you had a good side really gave you a platform in the mid 90s. People with little previous interest jumped on board especially here in the NE. Kids and armchair fans were always going to pick the mags over SAFC at the time. Many just presumed the keegan to robson era as the norm when in reality it was a boom time. In the 15 years previous to KK your best finish was 8th with the rest being in the bottom half or division 2. A lot of mags have the belief that you belong in the top 6 or 8 but that’s never really been the case.
 
beezer said:
That’s quite refreshing to here a mag acknowledge that. A lot of your support got on board in the mid 90s thats just a fact. I know we say formed in 1992, but yous took off at just the right time. The sky coverage and the fact you had a good side really gave you a platform in the mid 90s. People with little previous interest jumped on board especially here in the NE. Kids and armchair fans were always going to pick the mags over SAFC at the time. Many just presumed the keegan to robson era as the norm when in reality it was a boom time. In the 15 years previous to KK your best finish was 8th with the rest being in the bottom half or division 2. A lot of mags have the belief that you belong in the top 6 or 8 but that’s never really been the case.
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Exactly 👍
 
Wolfbeard said:
agree to an extent. I am sure if we never had the seasons we had in the decade before him he would be thought of as a decent owner by all NUFC fans. It is the stats like 15 years before Ashley = 0 relegations, 15 years with Ashley =2 relegations. 15 years prior to Ashley 9 top six finishes, 15 years with Ashley= 1 top six finish. That is what he gets judged on.
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Of course but as discussed previously the success prior to Ashley was built on mountains of debt that the club could not sustain. Anyone who took over the club at that time had to manage the perilous financial position. Its ridiculous comparing Ashley to what went on before but that's fans for you.
 
I wish I'd been rich enough to buy them. I would have them out of existence now. Just saying.

Or at least in the North East Heating Trades league. That would shut the fuckers up about Europe, Saudis and Net Spend
 
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prica's crown said:
yeah its all relative isnt it, if birmingham, sunderland, forest, ipswich, coventry had the playing record newcastle had under ashley, and he was more low profile, not done stuff like wind up keegan, treat guitierrez like crap, id say most would be reasonably happy despite the shite football of bruce, benitez,pulis etc etc to stay in the league.

the generation of 92'ers will only know the period of almost winning the league,biggest spenders, the bobby robson seasons and have higher expectations.

due to thd big 5 though the game has changed since blackburn or newcastle could buy the title or near enough,it would take impossible money, so what ashley does probably might be accepted if he had some charisma or was honest aboutwhat the club can afford.
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Leicester
ShieldsBlackCat2015 said:
Who would buy the mags? That’s the issue. It’s not that he can’t sell them. Nobody will buy them.
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Givower man.
 
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BigPeter said:
You know exactly what im on about you sad fat meff
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I didn't, I had to google it. But I see you're still trotting out the nonsense that I'm Ian Cusack.
Zweiguys said:
No, he left some debt behind. That debt was paid down with parachute payments I'm pretty sure.
As far as staffing, your club in the past decade has bought and then sold on some players for real decent money.
He may nor be as ambitious as you would like but he’s not in it to lose money. Hence not chasing after Benitez.He’s gotten the same results for less money. That’s good business as long as you stay up.
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We have done some really good work in the transfer market, but we've wasted a lot of money too. For every Perez or Sissoko, there are plenty of Thauvin's, Riviere's and Joelinton's.
You don't have to go full Shepherd to be ambitious. Look at Southampton as an example. The very definition of a selling club, yet they're playing good football and aiming to move up the table.
Grumpy Old Man said:
That's exactly what he's done. Ashley is not, and never has been, a director at Newcastle.
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You're suggesting that Charnley is driving the decisions for the club?
 
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beezer said:
That’s quite refreshing to here a mag acknowledge that. A lot of your support got on board in the mid 90s thats just a fact. I know we say formed in 1992, but yous took off at just the right time. The sky coverage and the fact you had a good side really gave you a platform in the mid 90s. People with little previous interest jumped on board especially here in the NE. Kids and armchair fans were always going to pick the mags over SAFC at the time. Many just presumed the keegan to robson era as the norm when in reality it was a boom time. In the 15 years previous to KK your best finish was 8th with the rest being in the bottom half or division 2. A lot of mags have the belief that you belong in the top 6 or 8 but that’s never really been the case.
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Spot on 👍
Ale taster said:
Spot on 👍
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The 'entitlement' which they ooze as a fan base and which quite rightly is labelled by football supporters country wide as 'dellusion', is derived from that '92 era.
They'd do well to talk to their fathers and brush up a bit on the true history of their club.
 
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The bit they believe is true...
"Furthermore, relegation will result in the Saudi PIF (or any other potential buyer) walking away."

They walked away last year you bunch of morons 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
The Fish said:
I didn't, I had to google it. But I see you're still trotting out the nonsense that I'm Ian Cusack.

We have done some really good work in the transfer market, but we've wasted a lot of money too. For every Perez or Sissoko, there are plenty of Thauvin's, Riviere's and Joelinton's.
You don't have to go full Shepherd to be ambitious. Look at Southampton as an example. The very definition of a selling club, yet they're playing good football and aiming to move up the table.

You're suggesting that Charnley is driving the decisions for the club?
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Southampton are due to progressive managers getting a certain style. You've had 2 managers recently for whom defence is the be all and end all. Leeds have proven you don't need millions to play well. Bruce is called a dinosaur but he's only extending the intra defenceive ways of the great waiter
 
Exile 1968 said:
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The bit they believe is true...
"Furthermore, relegation will result in the Saudi PIF (or any other potential buyer) walking away."

They walked away last year you bunch of morons 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Wow how embarrassing is that piece of shit? :lol:
 
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