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NUFC/Sportwashing

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It’s totally shameful what has gone on here, everyone at the premier league should hang their heads (if they’ve not had them cut off yet) in shame. What a total embarrassment the Premier League has become.
 
Ulster Black Cat said:
I used to think he was good and neutral in his job, but having made a real fool of himself last week, changed my mind completely.
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I've said a few times on here, but know personally that there has been more then one occasion when he has "reported" about something Sunderland related and it has been completely wrong/ a fabrication. On one occasion a friend was sat with the player in question when Keith had tweeted something about him - something minor I must add - and the player confirmed it was bollocks. Another time he tweeted something about a deal being off or Sunderland not signing anymore players (I can't remember exactly) but at the time another friend who works for another club confirmed that literally half an hour earlier Sunderland had just completed a medical on a player who was in the NE about to sign :lol:. Doesn't seem to have many friends at Sunderland does our Keith.
 
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The Fish said:
Can I support Newcastle and be glad of a takeover AND be disgusted that my club has been taken over by a cruel, vile regime seeking to Sportswash their crimes?

Or is nuance forbidden?
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I really don’t envy that moral quandry. It’s an awfully difficult position to be put in. I’d say it’s up to the individual to find their way of navigating it’s complexity. My personal decision was easy as a rival. I have chosen to cut them off as a club. I see no place for Saudi Arabia in football, never mind in Newcastle United. So, as I wrote elsewhere, I refuse to recognise the club, so long as they are owned by these people. Hope you find your way through it.
 
Georgewhitt said:
Used to care maybe. More mildly interested.
Now just ridicule the hypocrisy.
If you set yourself up for that ridicule, you will get a big response.
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Football fans are hypocrites, on the whole. Chelsea fans saying any players will have been bought with blood money. Man Utd fans saying any success will have been bought and not earned. Sunderland fans saying they'd walk away from their club if it was associated with something awful.

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But I think I know why they can overlook these issues and just get the cans in. It’s why all of us overlook so many issues we should care more about but simply don’t.

First, we’ve been trained to respond positively to Big Money like good little hypnotised dogs. We wag our tail and do what the rich want if we’re allowed to touch the coat-tails of their wealth in some way. We are easily bought off, in football especially so.

Second, other clubs are owned and run by people and organisations as bad, or nearly as bad as PIF, so that wound is already cut and cut very deep. If they can be, why can’t Newcastle? When everything in the swimming pool of life is already polluted with a million shits, what does one more turd in the water matter?

Third, we are powerless about so much in our lives, pushed from pillar to post by the winds of change blown by the power of Big Money and so your club being bought by Saudi Arabia just feels like another one of those distant decisions, made by people we’ll never meet, who live a life profoundly removed from our own. So removed it feels almost like fiction.
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englishman abroad said:
Perhaps you should direct that question to one of the 5m people in Yemen who are suffering from a famine as a direct consequence of Saudi government policy or Jamal Khashoggi's family or the victims of Saudi sponsored terrorism?

You'll have to explain in what context your using the term "nuance": a verb or noun before I anwser the second part of the question
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I think they have more pressing concerns than whether fans of a football club remain fans of the football club after a Saudi takeover.

The situation isn't black and white, there is nuance.
 
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The Fish said:
Football fans are hypocrites, on the whole. Chelsea fans saying any players will have been bought with blood money. Man Utd fans saying any success will have been bought and not earned. Sunderland fans saying they'd walk away from their club if it was associated with something awful.
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What? Like I walked away when DiCanio was our manager you mean?
Not all are hypocrites.
Even the ones that stuck around weren't wearing swastikas like your lot are brandishing tea towels on their heads.
 
Father Jack Hackett said:
Why shouldn't they? They've just bought into the English league with its famed 'fit and proper persons test'. The door is wide open for them now.
As you say, sportswashing on a large scale now as no-one is even attempting to block them.
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Unless they knock back a trade deal with our government.
 
Smartie said:
I really don’t envy that moral quandry. It’s an awfully difficult position to be put in. I’d say it’s up to the individual to find their way of navigating it’s complexity. My personal decision was easy as a rival. I have chosen to cut them off as a club. I see no place for Saudi Arabia in football, never mind in Newcastle United. So, as I wrote elsewhere, I refuse to recognise the club, so long as they are owned by these people. Hope you find your way through it.
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It is for each individual to make their own choice. Said before but I've friends who've reluctantly walked away from the club they've supported for decades. I also know lads who's position is staunch; they'll support their club whomsoever owns it.

I respect your position, this new Newcastle United is further removed from it's roots than it's ever been, for me.
Georgewhitt said:
What? Like I walked away when DiCanio was our manager you mean?
Not all are hypocrites.
Even the ones that stuck around weren't wearing swastikas like your lot are brandishing tea towels on their heads.
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You did? fair play.
No, not all are hypocrites, but few have the conviction to make a moral stand like yours. I'd wager you were in the minority who stepped away from Sunderland during Di Canio's time.
No, but I'm sure there were those defending him and the club from criticism. I'll not defend the idiots wearing tea towels, or having Saudi flags on twitter. At best they're ignorant, but that's not a good excuse.
 
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