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PaddySAFC97 said:
I'm surprised Saint-Maximin isn't rated higher tbf.

He'll definitely leave the mags next summer, surprised one of the top 6 haven't gone for him already.
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Which of the top 6 would buy him though?

They can all afford a better finished article, and they can all attract talented youngsters to improve. Maybe West Ham, Crystal Palace? Doesn't really strike me as the type of player Rodgers would want at Leicester.

When he goes, he'll surely go abroad?
 

MackemX said:
Don't forget the wages they would have been on also as below Thor'd from an old post shows the highest wages at the time. I recall listing on the radio when an ex Mag player (I dunno if it was Howey) said he couldn't believe what he got offered as it was far more than he was going to accept anyway. Shearer would be on over £400,000 a week using that same Index. They were paying players good money also to get them to come up North but I'll tell you honestly, I love it, love it, when I read that last sentence :lol:

November 1992: Eric Cantona joins Manchester United on £10,000-a-week deal
Just months into the first Premier League season and Alex Ferguson completed the signing that would secure Manchester United their first title in 26 years and set the platform for many more to come.

Back then, £10,000-a-week was a lot of money in the football world. The Premier League was called the Premiership, Alex wasn't a Sir and there was no transfer window. How times have changed...

June 1995: Dennis Bergkamp joins Arsenal on £19,000-a-week deal
After several years in the doldrums, Arsenal would become United's main rivals in the late 90s and early 2000s, and the signing of Dutch forward Bergkamp from Inter Milan paved the way.

Bergkamp would go on to sign many more contracts at Arsenal, eventually finishing his career at the club 11 years on from his first lucrative deal.

July 1996: Alan Shearer joins Newcastle United on £34,000-a-week deal
Alan Shearer's £15million move from Blackburn to Newcastle was a world-record transfer at the time, and the England striker's wage packet reflected that - nearly doubling Bergkamp's salary.

Like Bergkamp, Shearer would not move on again, but Newcastle failed to deliver the silverware during his 10-year St James' Park career that their investment promised - despite Shearer's goals.
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Eric Cantona £10k....34 x average uk salary at the time
Dennis Bergkamp £19k....52 x average
Alan Shearer £34k....92 x average.....on £400k a week now it would be 666 x average salary so those salaries back in the 90s weren't that bad compared to todays mercenaries
 
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Well after waiting all day for something to be announced I can announce that Keith the Fraud was wrong again.
 
jlaws said:
197m - this is based on growth in premier league revenues as a proxy for football inflation. Expenditure (at the time) built on sand.
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You're not wrong, so many clubs were guilty of spending beyond their means. Same year we were spending £8m on Ferdinand, Boro were spending £6.75m and £4.95m on Barmby and Juninho.
 
Rosco said:
Eric Cantona £10k....34 x average uk salary at the time
Dennis Bergkamp £19k....52 x average
Alan Shearer £34k....92 x average.....on £400k a week now it would be 666 x average salary so those salaries back in the 90s weren't that bad compared to todays mercenaries
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I think you are missing the point, which was a simple one. The salary paid to Alan Shearer at the time would make him one of the highest paid players NOW in world football. The stat was the emphasize the level NUFC were operating at back then. In addition the 1997 transfer window expenditure of c250m in today's terms would put them up among the biggest spenders in world football.

In case you missed this earlier:

"And what was the result of these staggering payments? After years of rank bad management, they left the club in an appalling mess: a £30 million loss; £70 million of debt plus £27 million owing transfer fees; extremely limited borrowing capacity, as all assets and income streams had already been used to secure loans; and a bloated wage bill of aging mercenaries on generous long-term contracts."

The evidence is irrefutable that those days were a "bubble" that nearly bankrupt the club.
 
jlaws said:
I think you are missing the point, which was a simple one. The salary paid to Alan Shearer at the time would make him one of the highest paid players NOW in world football. The stat was the emphasize the level NUFC were operating at back then. In addition the 1997 transfer window expenditure of c250m in today's terms would put them up among the biggest spenders in world football.

In case you missed this earlier:

"And what was the result of these staggering payments? After years of rank bad management, they left the club in an appalling mess: a £30 million loss; £70 million of debt plus £27 million owing transfer fees; extremely limited borrowing capacity, as all assets and income streams had already been used to secure loans; and a bloated wage bill of aging mercenaries on generous long-term contracts."

The evidence is irrefutable that those days were a "bubble" that nearly bankrupt the club.
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Current mean PL wage is 68k, so Shearers 400k is 6 x the average and I reckon that was the same back in 1996. Emphasising Newcastle were top payers then.
 
jlaws said:
Exile will love this find from 2010:

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"In contrast to Ashley, the former owners did very nicely out of their investment in Newcastle United, thank you very much. In fact, they absolutely coined it with the Halls (Sir John and Douglas) receiving a total of £95 million over the years, while the Shepherds (Freddy and Bruce) had to make do with £55 million. The Halls’ money comprised £55 million from the sale to Ashley, £20 million from previous share sales (to NTL and the club itself), £15 million from dividends and £5 million in salary payments, while the Shepherds’ money came from £38 million Ashley sale, £7 million dividends and £5 million salaries."

"And what was the result of these staggering payments? After years of rank bad management, they left the club in an appalling mess: a £30 million loss; £70 million of debt plus £27 million owing transfer fees; extremely limited borrowing capacity, as all assets and income streams had already been used to secure loans; and a bloated wage bill of aging mercenaries on generous long-term contracts."
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But but Ashley's "killed the club". I remember one of my mag mates telling me (who's in the navy) that he watched the Uefa cup semi v Marseille in Gibraltar and Freddie Shepherd was in the same bar. He said he spent the whole game playing on a bandit with his back to the TV. He had no interest whatsoever.
 
I'm SAFC through and through.

Got some great mates both in the Army and civvie street who are Geordies.

I still want us to do better than them always. That's healthy rivalry.

But I can't understand how some can slate their ambitions as fans. We have, we all have.

(Obviously, not the deluded ones who think they're a top 10 European team.)
 
WillInSpain said:
I'm SAFC through and through.

Got some great mates both in the Army and civvie street who are Geordies.

I still want us to do better than them always. That's healthy rivalry.

But I can't understand how some can slate their ambitions as fans. We have, we all have.

(Obviously, not the deluded ones who think they're a top 10 European team.)
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Their ambitions are bullshit though. It was
-we want a team that tries

They have a team that tries so it was
-we want entertaining football

Their games this season have been entertaining at home but nah they still chant for Bruce’s head from the first game.

They were on sky saying they just want to not be in a relegation battle but they weren’t exactly in one last year and that wasn’t good enough.

I work in Newcastle listen to the deluded wankers talk about how they at least deserve an FA cup and most of them seem to think that because they’ve got a big catchment area that gives them an entitlement to success. They haven’t won a trophy in the majority of the fan bases lifetime
 
Johnsafc said:
Their ambitions are bullshit though. It was
-we want a team that tries

They have a team that tries so it was
-we want entertaining football

Their games this season have been entertaining at home but nah they still chant for Bruce’s head from the first game.

They were on sky saying they just want to not be in a relegation battle but they weren’t exactly in one last year and that wasn’t good enough.

I work in Newcastle listen to the deluded wankers talk about how they at least deserve an FA cup and most of them seem to think that because they’ve got a big catchment area that gives them an entitlement to success. They haven’t won a trophy in the majority of the fan bases lifetime
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The actual fuck? We were in one for most of the season. It wasn't safe for a long time.
 
mag in peace said:
The actual fuck? We were in one for most of the season. It wasn't safe for a long time.
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Was hardly a battle though. Fulham pulled the gap from like 7 points to one and then barely won again after. Must have finished 20 points apart? No different to afew other teams in the bottom half that got dragged into it briefly

The season before there was no battle too after they overcame a poor start.
 
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Johnsafc said:
Was hardly a battle though. Fulham pulled the gap from like 7 points to one and then barely won again after. No different to afew other teams in the bottom half that got dragged into it briefly

The season before there was no battle too after they overcame a poor start.
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Bruce has won 29% of his games since he has been in charge. That's going to be a relegation battle every season with that record.
 
Johnsafc said:
Their ambitions are bullshit though. It was
-we want a team that tries

They have a team that tries so it was
-we want entertaining football

Their games this season have been entertaining at home but nah they still chant for Bruce’s head from the first game.

They were on sky saying they just want to not be in a relegation battle but they weren’t exactly in one last year and that wasn’t good enough.

I work in Newcastle listen to the deluded wankers talk about how they at least deserve an FA cup and most of them seem to think that because they’ve got a big catchment area that gives them an entitlement to success. They haven’t won a trophy in the majority of the fan bases lifetime
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My good friend Keith, who I had the pleasure of fighting, drinking and laughing alongside in Rome.
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Down to earth to bloke.
 
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