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scott934 said:
Let's be honest though Ashley's only ambition is to stay on the gravy train. It's why he always hires known quantities as managers, he's never taken a chance on a manager who has a long term vision. I can still laugh at the mag fan's delusion, thinking Man United are their biggest rivals, and still see that they are a bit of a "husk" of a football club at the minute.

As things stand I reckon we'll see a cup final again before they do, and we're in the 3rd tier.
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I'm sure the chap would love a cup win but the problem is so would all the other clubs.

Its that word ambition, to the best of my knowledge they have an expensively assembled squad with more than a couple of +30m players on a wage budget that I assume is in the top 50 in the world. So I can only assume ambition means loading debt or personally running the risk of bankrupting himself which i dont think is advisable. Can you point me to the clubs with ambition away from those that money no longer matters? I assume stoke and Derby showed ambition?

And the husk bit, they're competing in the highest rated league in the world, its a really bizarre sentiment to me. Of course they have to stay in the Premier league as the majority now do or face a critical point financially where they may have to downgrade substantially and their lofty goals would be even further away.

If any of the sounded "narky" or anything, it wasn't my intention.
 

The Great MES said:
Dawnie made and impassioned defence of him on Look North tonight. Has lots of friends in the media does Steve, diss him at your peril.
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Goes back years, his mates in the press went out of their way to blow billowing clouds of smoke up his big fat arse despite him going through more clubs than Tiger Woods.

“Bruce to replace Trevor Francis at Birmingham”

“Bruce refused funds by Blades board”

“Huddersfield make Bruce waste £3m on players”

“Crystal Palace rescue Bruce from two-month hell at Wigan”

“Birmingham City rescue Bruce from Crystal Palace nightmare”
 
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Think we can rest assured he's fuckung sick of his life managing them. Relentless hassle off fans, shit director to work for, media all over every corner you turn. He sort of fits the bill for managing that car crash club. Yeaj they might be 'still in the premier' but i remember those years of just say scraping by and staying up and its crap.
 
Biffo The Bear said:
If we are a husk of a club i can't think of a way to aptly describe what we were in 70's and 80's.

Me too. Not happen sadly. Personally i would love to see Leeds go and, if i could have a wish list, Villa as well.
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It was a different era in the 70s and 80s though. Some of this might be because I was a bairn just getting into football, but it was not as huge as it is now. To me football clubs back then were home town clubs, supported by the locals. You had teams that a lot of other fans liked and respected and teams that everyone hated, but national exposure was match of the day and the news papers. You had limited games on TV, but the likes of Liverpool picked up a few young fans from around the country, partly by being in televised cup finals. Meanwhile the likes of Sunderland and Newcastle had good seasons and bad seasons, drifting up and down the league, largely unnoticed by the masses, same as about 85 other league clubs. There was very little international exposure.

Then Newcastle exploded onto the scene with Keegan and Hall, splashing lots of money left right and centre. They played games with lots of goals by building a team of forwards with no defence. There was real excitement and attention, right at the time Sky took over English football and made it a massive worldwide thing. Almost instantly you could watch masses of football like never before. Newcastle were smart with their PR and marketing, giving the media their little cliches they still use today,making a Toon brand, geordie nation etc. Even when not playing, Newcastle were always in the news. It felt like you had the predictable, solid Man U winning everything and this mental club with goals and money everywhere, but the drama of constant heart break, right at the time Sky needed darlings to sell their new product to the world. Both were in the right place at the right time.

By comparison when Sunderland had their spell under Reid, we went about it quietly. PR and marketing were something for other clubs.

Newcastle didn’t win anything, they were very entertaining runners up and also-rans. But now, they are no longer a media giant. Two decades have passed since they exploded into something massive, and they are now just another club who flirt with the relegation zone and drift to mid table. Media profile and excitement wise, there is little to chose between them and Villa. In the whole public perception they are a husk of this media giant they were. On the pitch, there has been little excitement in the team for years. In the 70s and 80s, nobody expected much, but once you build a club up to be a famous worldwide brand, it is hard to take shrivelling into nothing again.
 
dave hedgehog said:
Think we can rest assured he's fuckung sick of his life managing them. Relentless hassle off fans, shit director to work for, media all over every corner you turn. He sort of fits the bill for managing that car crash club. Yeaj they might be 'still in the premier' but i remember those years of just say scraping by and staying up and its crap.
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He's a "goalkeeper" as a manager - a punchbag.

Every job he has he stands 'front and centre' and takes hits on behalf of the owners, the amount of support he gave the Hull owners was embarrassing to watch.

Which is exactly why he's got a job with Ashley.
He takes the crap, doesn't rock the boat, and says nothing negative about the owner when he could - even when they released a statement slapping him down about transfers he said nothing.

He'll be a dutiful punchbag for the owners until the day he gets his payoff and leaves the North East to 'go home'.
 
Exile 1968 said:
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Sportswashing at its very best 🙄🤔
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Next they’ll be trying to get poor old Mike into the Saudi Turkish embassy in Istanbul as you can allegedly disappear once you go through those doors.
jlaws said:
I thought Rafa walked?
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He did. He thought dictatorial China, not much better than Saudi when it comes to human rights, was a more attractive proposition than another season with that lot.
Roker Mackem said:
Neville and Carragher going to a Newcastle pub on Friday to chat to Mags.

Could be entertaining :lol:
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:):):):):) Wonder if it will be somewhere stereotypical like The Strawberry, home of the Magpie intelligentsia who will all be wearing their Keegan 92 Blue Star gravy stained shirts and weeping and a wailing into that fizzy shite called Newcastle Brown Ale.

“Gary, Jamie, man, yer divvent understand, we’re the greatest, we dinnat deserve this, we need wor Saudi murderers in charge, wor so deserving, can yer help us or we gonna end up playing the Mackems next season.”

Cue hoots of derision and laughter from millions nationwide….
 
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babyimreadytoblow said:
Could have taken us to Europe if the owner hadn't pulled the rug from under him.

Went from the likes of Ben/Gyan/Henderson to some absolute shite all under the guise of reducing wages.

The way he went on was out or order but that's to be expected sometimes.
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Yep the seemed to be the start of the era of replacing each player with worse than before and we continued it for quite a few years.

The give away if Gyan was particularly strange though as I think it happened when the league transfer window was closed.
 
DaveH said:
It was a different era in the 70s and 80s though. Some of this might be because I was a bairn just getting into football, but it was not as huge as it is now. To me football clubs back then were home town clubs, supported by the locals. You had teams that a lot of other fans liked and respected and teams that everyone hated, but national exposure was match of the day and the news papers. You had limited games on TV, but the likes of Liverpool picked up a few young fans from around the country, partly by being in televised cup finals. Meanwhile the likes of Sunderland and Newcastle had good seasons and bad seasons, drifting up and down the league, largely unnoticed by the masses, same as about 85 other league clubs. There was very little international exposure.

Then Newcastle exploded onto the scene with Keegan and Hall, splashing lots of money left right and centre. They played games with lots of goals by building a team of forwards with no defence. There was real excitement and attention, right at the time Sky took over English football and made it a massive worldwide thing. Almost instantly you could watch masses of football like never before. Newcastle were smart with their PR and marketing, giving the media their little cliches they still use today,making a Toon brand, geordie nation etc. Even when not playing, Newcastle were always in the news. It felt like you had the predictable, solid Man U winning everything and this mental club with goals and money everywhere, but the drama of constant heart break, right at the time Sky needed darlings to sell their new product to the world. Both were in the right place at the right time.

By comparison when Sunderland had their spell under Reid, we went about it quietly. PR and marketing were something for other clubs.

Newcastle didn’t win anything, they were very entertaining runners up and also-rans. But now, they are no longer a media giant. Two decades have passed since they exploded into something massive, and they are now just another club who flirt with the relegation zone and drift to mid table. Media profile and excitement wise, there is little to chose between them and Villa. In the whole public perception they are a husk of this media giant they were. On the pitch, there has been little excitement in the team for years. In the 70s and 80s, nobody expected much, but once you build a club up to be a famous worldwide brand, it is hard to take shrivelling into nothing again.
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I get what you are saying about how the premier league changed things, but honestly there's nothing in their performance at that time to justify the constant bleating of their fans in the media now. The way Shearer was talking on MOTD you'd think this was a club that had won multiple trophies and now had fallen from grace. In reality they had 2 or 3 good seasons in the PL under Keegan where they still won nowt. Then back to mid table before they had a couple of top six finishes under Robson. Then back to lower/mid PL. They've always been a mid/lower top flight team bar those 5/6 seasons I've mentioned. The way they go on is out of kilter with reality.
 
Jesus hardly Guardiola and Messi

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Here we go again :lol:

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Usual garbage from Bruce.
He went to the Bobby Robson school of excuses.
Robson was another who would blame everyone and everything except himself.
 
The difference between Rafa when up the road and Rafa last night, was the forwards were aware of where the goals were, what they are there for - and used them to score more than the opposition..
 
Remember, he keeps telling us he's one of them (while wearing united underduds), which means his strategies, planning, execution and flexibility to change when things need switching, are no better that the distorted world them up the road live in.
 
Mackem2017 said:
Jesus hardly Guardiola and Messi

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Here we go again :lol:

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That is simply the groundwork for "call off the protest".

The laughable whistles and planes protest will be called off at last minute (saving embarrassment and giving the morons the belief it worked) then these potential owners will just disappear into the sunset.

Then blame Ashley
 
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