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By the letter of the law, yes.
But that offside called against them is a case study of VAR ruining the game. Marginal at best

Give it or not...
Either way it hides the fact that they had one shot on target yesterday. That's the real talking point. Yet this is from a side (that according to them) has a quality attack in ASM, Willock and Wilson.

They're a bottom half side and have been for a while. I think deep down they know it but they don't accept it as long as there is an outside influence to blame, such as VAR, #premierleagueiscorrupt, Ashley, Bruce, Takeovers, the cartel....
It was offside and VAR is allowing for a bit margin of error now. This is a shit quality image unlike the better quality what VAR will see, plus the computer will say if the lines overlap. You can see there was a gap between the blue line (Young) and the thicker red line (Wilson).

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It looks close due to the camera angle but swing this around to the linesman perspective and the gap will be inches. This is another camera angle and now look at positions of the leading feet against the grass line and also how far Wilson is leaning forward given it's the top half of him that's offside. Ings looks close simply because he's tall because if you took a line directly down from all 3 players shoulders, you'll see that Wilson is clearly further forward. The question is "where do you draw the line?" and the answer is no matter where you draw it there will always be close calls. I think the lines should be even thicker so it allows for stuff like this.


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But how do you know that the ball is leaving his foot at that precise moment the lines are being drawn?

This. Oh so much this. VAR's worst/least spoken about trait is the arbitrary decision about which frame is the one when the ball is actually passed.

Sometimes you can even see the ball blurring in motion, meaning the frame is late as the pass has already been played, yet they choose this as:

a) the frame for the decision even thought it's late

2) decide that a player is a fingernail offside when the ball has *already* been played.


It's not just the technology, it's the nonsensical use of the technology that gets to me.
 
It was offside and VAR is allowing for a bit margin of error now. This is a shit quality image unlike the better quality what VAR will see, plus the computer will say if the lines overlap. You can see there was a gap between the blue line (Young) and the thicker red line (Wilson).

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It looks close due to the camera angle but swing this around to the linesman perspective and the gap will be inches. This is another camera angle and now look at positions of the leading feet against the grass line and also how far Wilson is leaning forward given it's the top half of him that's offside. Ings looks close simply because he's tall because if you took a line directly down from all 3 players shoulders, you'll see that Wilson is clearly further forward. The question is "where do you draw the line?" and the answer is no matter where you draw it there will always be close calls. I think the lines should be even thicker so it allows for stuff like this.


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But how do you know that the ball is leaving his foot at that precise moment the lines are being drawn?
The offside law is when the ball is first touched when playing by the passing player, not when it leaves the foot. Obviously the frame rate often won't capture this precise moment in time so they go with the 1st frame that clearly shows the touch. This could still mean an attacker running forward is captured after starting his run (Wilson in this case IMO) and having moved a few centimeters or the flip side is the defender has moved and is now playing the attacker onside when the attacker was originally offside.

This is why they've hoyed in a bit of a margin of error and the 2 lines only needing to overlap by a fraction to still be onside. The 1st image would be called offside last season if attacking to the right as the attacker's line (RED) is just to the right of the defender's line (BLUE). It would have been 'well' onside with this season's rule and the 2nd image shows how the red line can still be onside as long as any bit still overlaps the blue line.

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It's not perfect but it's better than last season though I think they should make the lines thicker to allow for the greater margin of error from the frame rate/VAR choosing where to draw lines etc. In time and after a few more close calls like this then they'll probably make it bigger. Aye it may mean a few CM here either way and there but at least some advantage is given to the attacker and hopefully they give a bit more but at least it stops the linesman from calling it completely wrong by a far greater margin of error.
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Oh aye before I forget, for the Mags reading this and the close offside decision denying the penna ;):lol:

 
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But how do you know that the ball is leaving his foot at that precise moment the lines are being drawn?
Exactly the point I've said since this VAR came in. It you look at that photo the passing players leg is still down next to his non kicking leg. How the fuck did he manage a pass at that split second. The whole system is totally fucked. It's like not having sensors at the start of 100 meter race.
 
Exactly the point I've said since this VAR came in. It you look at that photo the passing players leg is still down next to his non kicking leg. How the fuck did he manage a pass at that split second. The whole system is totally fucked. It's like not having sensors at the start of 100 meter race.
I don't know when this rule came in but it's been a while and many still don't know the offside is taken from the point of first contact with the ball, not when the ball finally leaves the foot after the swinging motion of the leg. This is the image I presume you're talking about that VAR used.

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These below are just from the shitty Youtube highlights (LINK) and it's the frame before and after the 1st touch (PC users can pause the video and press , and . to move frame by frame). Wilson is probably half a foot offside in both if you look at the cut of the grass to help. If you were there looking across the line then the offside distance would be clearer as it's the long distance of the camera viewing angle that makes everything look close.

With VAR a line has to be drawn somewhere and they're allowing a margin of error in the attackers favour now, though still too small in my opinion. You can't rely on the linesman getting it right every time. If they got rid of VAR for offside then the uproar would be far worse from fans when a linesman gets it wrong by a far greater distance which would undoubtedly happen weekly. Something to consider is the time it takes for a linesman to blink his eyes is at least 3 frames of video so this is how fine a margin it is timewise trying to capture the moment of the touch of the pass.

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What's it say, no way am I clicking on a chronic link. Awful paper/website.
 
I'm more concerned with yesterday's season ticket/card fiasco st the SOL.

I actually thought that is what the thread title referred to.
 
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