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How many voices, in some way, are defending their owners? This is the difference, it's the level at which some of the Mags are getting so defensive about it all and I can't think of any other club that goes to the levels the Mags do.

Have you realised which stand is which yet anarl? It was the to the right of the Middle East stand I posted ;)
They're defending the club from the attack and they're using whatever tools they've got to hand. Unfortunately, the tools to hand are usually whataboutery and strawman. Because twitter, and 3 minute talkshow radio isn't set up for nuanced debate. (not that a lot of football fans are well versed in nuanced debate)


Aye, I have now, cheers. :oops:
 
I thought it was clear.
She does not, I assume, represent the entire Labour Party. I assume the entire Labour Party will not be vilified simply because of her behaviour?

All NUFC fans do not support this.... Get the point?
The lack of dissenting voices from your ranks on twitter really is noticeable though. For example I saw fans from multiple other clubs (and Oliver Holt from the Mail) questioning Keith Downie's 'generally good people' tweet and lots of your fans piling in on them but none calling him on the others out on it. If you want the perception that all your fans are complicit with and support the regime then a few of you are going to have to start putting your heads above the parapet.
 
I was using irony, to be clear...
Yes, I realised. It's almost as if regardless of politics the condemnation is universal. As this persists the Mags are going to get increasingly annoyed.
The lack of dissenting voices from your ranks on twitter really is noticeable though. For example I saw fans from multiple other clubs (and Oliver Holt from the Mail) questioning Keith Downie's 'generally good people' tweet and lots of your fans piling in on them but none calling him on the others out on it. If you want the perception that all your fans are complicit with and support the regime then a few of you are going to have to start putting your heads above the parapet.
To be fair this lad is. Credit to him.
 
To be fair, there have been condemnations of the Saudi regime in True Faith and even within the LGBT statement. Maybe not enough, maybe not as aggressive, but they're there.

I agree the Trust should have had some balls and, in their open letter to the new owners asked for a conversation about the concerns that many of their members have.

Re: your last statement, it's not really fair to lump an entire fanbase in one camp simply because you feel there are insufficient dissenting voices. Be like saying All Man City fans are supportive of UAE because there aren't enough dissenting voices.
The LGBTQ statement was a f***ing joke tbf. They practically rolled out the red carpet. I thought LGBTQ groups would have a bit of awareness, a bit of solidarity with others being persecuted in other countries, but seemingly not. Theirs has been the worst stance of all.

And I'm not lumping all NUFC fans together. I'm saying that if you're going to choose to write about a set of fans and all you can see is people celebrating, then you're going to say "the fans are happy". If there were loud, forceful statements of unhappiness from a decent number of fans your take would have to be "it's divided the fans". Looking at the overwhelming reaction from Newcastle fans, I wouldn't feel the need to say its divided, or that there are groups seriously questioning it. All I see is celebration, defending the regime, whataboutery and some very soft "they're not great but hopefully they'll change" comments. They'll avoid lumping them all together when the serious dissent from groups of nufc fans is voiced. But we all know that isn't happening.
 
See, that's a mischaracterisation. You could count on one hand the number of daft lads in headscarves/bedsheets.

All but a tiny minority, when asked, were celebrating a) the departure of Ashley and b ) suddenly becoming the richest team on the planet.

You say it yourself, they weren't even thinking about the Saudis for who they are.

There were plenty of gormless and classless people inthe crowd, but it wasn't a night at the opera, it was a football crowd. That's not where I expect to find an abundance of class... or Gorm.
Would you care to help me in organizing something to remember Jamal Khasoggi? With the permission of his fiancé. @mag in peace - how about you?
 
The LGBTQ statement was a f***ing joke tbf. They practically rolled out the red carpet. I thought LGBTQ groups would have a bit of awareness, a bit of solidarity with others being persecuted in other countries, but seemingly not. Theirs has been the worst stance of all.

And I'm not lumping all NUFC fans together. I'm saying that if you're going to choose to write about a set of fans and all you can see is people celebrating, then you're going to say "the fans are happy". If there were loud, forceful statements of unhappiness from a decent number of fans your take would have to be "it's divided the fans". Looking at the overwhelming reaction from Newcastle fans, I wouldn't feel the need to say its divided, or that there are groups seriously questioning it. All I see is celebration, defending the regime, whataboutery and some very soft "they're not great but hopefully they'll change" comments. They'll avoid lumping them all together when the serious dissent from groups of nufc fans is voiced. But we all know that isn't happening.
And won't, and that's the true mark of *qualifier alert* the vast majority of them unfortunately.
 
I called him out on this before, on this thread somewhere I think, years ago. He was simply a popularist, typically Guardian-esque, political aspirant who tried to mix as much non-football themes into his drawings as possible to get cheap laughs from the avocado-on-toast and iced-tea sipping captive audience. It started with just football, and it was fine, but then it became politicised, and now it's just completely out of touch.

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Would you care to help me in organizing something to remember Jamal Khasoggi? With the permission of his fiancé. @mag in peace - how about you?
I thinly getting Amnesty International involved, along with supporters groups across the country and doing a major fundraiser for Yemen would be a great idea tbf. Some good could come out of it, and I do think you'd get a lot of mags donating. It wouldn't be seen as jealous fans lashing out, but would instead be a reminder to the Saudis that their sportswashing won't work and that football fans are generally good people who are never going to share their morals.

 
I thinly getting Amnesty International involved, along with supporters groups across the country and doing a major fundraiser for Yemen would be a great idea tbf. Some good could come out of it, and I do think you'd get a lot of mags donating. It wouldn't be seen as jealous fans lashing out, but would instead be a reminder to the Saudis that their sportswashing won't work and that football fans are generally good people who are never going to share their morals.

I agree with all that apart from AI involvement.
 
Yes, I realised. It's almost as if regardless of politics the condemnation is universal. As this persists the Mags are going to get increasingly annoyed.

To be fair this lad is. Credit to him.
I'm not suggesting he wasn't or that there aren't good numbers of others out there. But they'll need to accept that as long as their fans, whether it's a vocal minority or the majority, are swarming all over any criticism of MBS and his regime with an impassioned defence and none of those against it are visible, then they'll be perceived as a group to be in favour.

Even their LGBTQ supporter group wouldn't call them out ffs.
 
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How did you expect other (non-Newcastle supporting) folk to react when the first and most obvious demonstration of the takeover news on Tyneside was a mass gathering at SJP of tea-towel/bedsheet wearing, lager-swilling f***ing numpties celebrating becoming the richest club in the world (allegedly).
As far as social media goes it was quite the killer move, offending both humanitarians and hard core Wahhabists as they sprayed their national flag and its sacred Shahadah text with warm beer
 
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I thinly getting Amnesty International involved, along with supporters groups across the country and doing a major fundraiser for Yemen would be a great idea tbf. Some good could come out of it, and I do think you'd get a lot of mags donating. It wouldn't be seen as jealous fans lashing out, but would instead be a reminder to the Saudis that their sportswashing won't work and that football fans are generally good people who are never going to share their morals.


In case you are not aware of this organisation - The Yemeni Project | An insight in the Yemeni Community within South Shields
 
The LGBTQ statement was a f***ing joke tbf. They practically rolled out the red carpet. I thought LGBTQ groups would have a bit of awareness, a bit of solidarity with others being persecuted in other countries, but seemingly not. Theirs has been the worst stance of all.

And I'm not lumping all NUFC fans together. I'm saying that if you're going to choose to write about a set of fans and all you can see is people celebrating, then you're going to say "the fans are happy". If there were loud, forceful statements of unhappiness from a decent number of fans your take would have to be "it's divided the fans". Looking at the overwhelming reaction from Newcastle fans, I wouldn't feel the need to say its divided, or that there are groups seriously questioning it. All I see is celebration, defending the regime, whataboutery and some very soft "they're not great but hopefully they'll change" comments. They'll avoid lumping them all together when the serious dissent from groups of nufc fans is voiced. But we all know that isn't happening.
Aye, but the majority of criticism is. "The fans celebrated the news by wearing headscarves" for example. Anyone who didn't pay that much attention would take from that the crowd was bedecked in Arab-style clothing. When, in fact it's a handful.

I agree the LGBT statement was poor.
 
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